Putting biases aside, when anticipating the Rent and The Producers movies...
Putting biases aside, when anticipating the Rent and The Producers movies...
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Putting biases aside, when anticipating the Rent and The Producers movies...#0
Posted: 8/25/05 at 1:15amWhich one do you think will do better at the box office? Which one do you think will fare better with the critics? I prefer Rent by far but I have this nagging feeling that The Producers will sneak in and steal all of Rent's thunder. What do you think?
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re: Putting biases aside, when anticipating the Rent and The Producers movies...#1
Posted: 8/25/05 at 1:17am
I don't think, I KNOW The Producers will have a better box office. Mel Brooks, the buzz surrounding the show when it premiered, a comedy many can relate to, star power, it will do better at the box office.
My instinct says it will do better with the critics as well. I have a feeling critics aren't gonna love the ending of Rent, and I just feel they'd be more nitpicky at Rent than a comedy at the Producers which is a fun comedy.
The one thing Rent has it because it's a drama I think it has at least a better chance at the major awards. But we shall see.
re: Putting biases aside, when anticipating the Rent and The Producers movi#2
Posted: 8/25/05 at 1:19am
The Producers definetly has more widespread appeal and is a fun, entertaining show. I can't see Rent beating it in the box office race.
I'd find it funny if the Oscar nominations featured both Nathan Lane and Adam Pascal. 1996 Tonys, take two.
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Posted: 8/25/05 at 1:22am
i think that the movie rating will also decide the auidence.
and it still worries me that Rent is one of the few november movies without a rating
re: Putting biases aside, when anticipating the Rent and The Producers movi#4
Posted: 8/25/05 at 1:22amThe Producers. Its appeal is far more universal.
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Posted: 8/25/05 at 1:27amWell, The Producers hasn't delivered a trailer, cast interviews or more than a few stills that tell us little about how the musical numbers play out. Right now I don't see any reason to believe that it'll be a box office or critical hit. I'm going to pass on predicting box office for either film but say that Rent will get better reviews - since it has substance and all that jazz.
re: Putting biases aside, when anticipating the Rent and The Producers movi#6
Posted: 8/25/05 at 1:52amI actually think Rent might do better. Rent really appeals to people say 25 years old and younger...those are the people going to see the most movies. I think The Producers will find an audience but I think it will be a more adult audience.
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re: Putting biases aside, when anticipating the Rent and The Producers movi#7
Posted: 8/25/05 at 1:53amProducers will do better because it will appeal to a wider audience, conservatives won't really be inclined to see Rent would be my prediction.
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Posted: 8/25/05 at 1:56amI'm with meagan. I think in the long run RENT might do better. It's the sort of movie that will get those raving fans that will see it over and over again (partially why Titanic was so huge). And The Producers REALLY doesn't have that much star power. Uma Thurman, Will Ferrel and Matthew Broderick. Nathan Lane, although we all love him, isn't the biggest box office draw in the movies. And besides, RENT has Rosario Dawson, and Jesse L Martin. They'll draw some box office numbers, I'm sure. I think when awards come around that RENT will have a more likely shot at Best Picture and such, but as far as Box Office, I'm just not sure.
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Posted: 8/25/05 at 2:00amI think Uma Thurman, Nathan Lane and Matthew Broderick will draw more people than Rosario Dawson; My parents would have no idea who she is. I think the Producers has more star power and will capture the olderaudience, but I think Rent will definitely be more honored because it's just a more artistic work.
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re: Putting biases aside, when anticipating the Rent and The Producers movi#10
Posted: 8/25/05 at 2:14amThe Producers no question. It's a more recent show, the cast is both filled with the original stars to draw the musical fans and some big name stars to interest the general public. I hardly think the name Rosario Dawson is as household a name as say, Will Ferrel, Uma Thurman, or Mel Brooks. Also, Producers release date at Christmas time puts it in a far better position to be remembered, and thus, distributed longer in order to attract awards. Rent's november date is a bit iffy in terms of staying power. Had it been pushed back into December, I imagine it would fair better.
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Posted: 8/25/05 at 2:17am
isn't it like thanksgiving week? Isn't that a big time for movies?
I'm not a movie buff, so I could just be dumb.
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re: Putting biases aside, when anticipating the Rent and The Producers movi#12
Posted: 8/25/05 at 5:11amDeffintly The Producers because Rent is just bad!
re: Putting biases aside, when anticipating the Rent and The Producers movi#13
Posted: 8/25/05 at 5:43amAw come on, don't say Rent is bad...
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re: Putting biases aside, when anticipating the Rent and The Producers movi#14
Posted: 8/25/05 at 6:59ami think that people like will farrell will draw in a lot of young fans; think of his antics in Wedding Crashers (a small role) and Elf or Old School. i think he's hilarious. and the producers attracted a wider audience than rent did (does) - think of how many 40 yr olds never liked rent for it's characterization or themes. i hope it will do as well if not better, but i wouldn't be surprised if it was a tough battle.
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Posted: 8/25/05 at 9:30amIgnore bwaybaby, (s)he is a moron. Anyway, the Producers have put out no trailer, no publicity, and RENT is being pushed like no other. There's really a LOT of buzz aboutthis movie, and I don't feel the same about The Producers. I'm sure both will do just fine at the box office, but I really don't think the Producers is as great as some people think ::shrug:: but then again, i'm probably the most biased person ever and it's hard for me to put thast aside LOL but if the [roducers want people to see the movie, they need to start, you know, publisising it or something...
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re: Putting biases aside, when anticipating the Rent and The Producers movi#16
Posted: 8/25/05 at 9:34amOver the long run, there's no doubt Rent will do better. The teens will see it over and over again. I don't see The Producers audience doing the same thing...
re: Putting biases aside, when anticipating the Rent and The Producers movi#17
Posted: 8/25/05 at 9:36am
I live in the land of Hart. Hartland, Wisconsin. I can tell you one thing. The majority of the children, teenagers, adults, elderly have never even HEARD of Rosario Dawson. Nor should they have.
But if you ask any of these kids about say: Spaceballs, Robinhood Men In Tights, High Anxiety, Blazing Saddles, the name Mel Brooks becomes an instant association.
Ask about Ferris Buellers Day Off and Matthew Broderick comes into play.
Ask about Batman, Kill Bill and you've got Uma Thurman.
Ask about (and here's the big guy right now) Anchorman, Kicking and Screaming, Bewitched, etc. and you have Mr. Will Ferrel.
The Producers though less advertised, has more to advertise when it does.
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re: Putting biases aside, when anticipating the Rent and The Producers movi#18
Posted: 8/25/05 at 9:53am
They both have a lot to offer. When thining of musicals, average Joe would come up with a list that looks like: Phantom, Cats, Les Miz, Rent -- maybe one or two more. But I deffinately think Rent is there.
The Producers was already a Brooks' film that Brooks' fan will be able to identify with.
They BOTH aren't going to appeal to concervatives. They both have men in dresses.
And I personally feel that Rent made more of an impact on Broadway than the Producers did (regardless of Tonys) and I think they are both going to be a household name in their own ways.
Also, are you sure your parents dont know who Rosario Dawson is? My mom was watching the Today Show w/ me and was like "is that Rosario Dawson?" Lol
Well... theres my 2 cents
re: Putting biases aside, when anticipating the Rent and The Producers movi#19
Posted: 8/25/05 at 10:13am
It's a tough call. RENT is going to appeal to a young adult audience. The ones that buy most of the movie tickets. PRODUCERS might have a broader appeal as far as age groups, but it's going to need terrific word of mouth to become a box office hit. Most people feel they've seen this story on the big screen before, and it's a classic (with Zero and Gene). Hopefully the trailers will help sell it (once we all see them).
For RENT, I'm very interested to see how the reaction is to a movie with central themes revolving around the AIDS crisis from an early 1990s point of view. I think they're going to be turned off by it (which actually scares me a bit). I hope I'm wrong about this... but I think we're going to see a negative reaction (and even dismissive reviews) to this movie when it comes out. People's attitudes toward the disease have changed drastically since RENT was written. It's not perceived as the scary "dark cloud" disease that it once was. It's a sad fact. Most people act like it's not that big of a deal any more. Take the drugs and you can stay alive. This movie is going to be a turn-off to many, I predict. Again, I hope I'm wrong. I actually hope it invites the discussion to continue, and the facts to come out again about what AIDS is doing to our country and our world. But I have a feeling by that time, the movie will have come and gone.
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re: Putting biases aside, when anticipating the Rent and The Producers movi#20
Posted: 8/25/05 at 10:14am
How would my parents know her?
The deleted scenes from The Devils Rejects?
The Adventures of Pluto Nash?
Alexander?
Josie and the Pussycats?
Rosario Dawson is not a Hollywood star. She's not even a Hollywood Character Actress.
Despite what you may say about the conservative view of The Producers, the universal appeal in regard to Mel Brooks is that he parodies everyone. Having a man in a dress and saying conservatives won't go is almost like (but different in its own ways) saying that the Germans aren't going because the Nazis are made fun of.
re: Putting biases aside, when anticipating the Rent and The Producers movi#21
Posted: 8/25/05 at 10:38am
I think it is likely that the Producers will have the bigger box office (the lack of publicity at the moment is based on two factors, a push for RENT to get publicity and the fact the Producers opens later.) The Producers also has a much more well known cast/creative team, as someone already said, which will push it over the top. Rent may have made more of an impact on Broadway, but Mel Brooks has made more impact on the majority of American than Broadway ever did. Also Rent's almost certain R rating will reduce its numbers.
As far as the critical acclaim and awards I think they have an equal shot. They could both be trashed, which I don't think is likely. One or the other could be considered better (impossible to know at the moment.)
Or BOTH could be critical darlings, which is the buzz in some quarters at the moment. That is what I want to see, the two films basically fighting it out for all the major awards. It is very possible too, the material in Rent and the team behind Producers are well regarded by critics. I want to see "the year of the musical"
but probably something else will swoop in and win all the awards.
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re: Putting biases aside, when anticipating the Rent and The Producers movi#22
Posted: 8/25/05 at 10:48am
If some of the statments that have been made are considerations made after putting biases aside, I'd hate to see what people would say if biases were front and center.
Geez.
First of all 40 is not old. Some of the hippest, funniest, most vibrant, most productive and even the most attractive people I know are in their forties. And I say that as someone who is 28.
Yes, 40 may seem positively ancient if you are 13. But if you're a bit older, you know better.
Second, not everyone who is under 25 loves or even cares about RENT and and not everyone over 40 is unfamiliar with it or hates it. All the fans of the Producers aren't old farts and not all of it's detractors are young people. I know people of all ages and political persuasions who like or dislike each show. And there are all kinds of people who think BOTH shows are monsterously overrated entertainments that really don't live up to the hype about the social significance or entertainment value that is created by their more rabid fans.
My point is that the sweeping generalizations about both shows and who they will appeal to are silly.
I have no idea how either show will do with the critics or audiences. And keep in mind that some people will see neither smovie because they simply don't like musicals.
I have have seen blatant media bias both for and agianst both shows, so that tells us nothing.
And I know better than than to make assumptions based on my own annecdotal evidence, which I see being done every day by others.
The only semi-reliable prediction that can be made is about their commercial potential and that's through audience tracking. The rest is just cheerleading from the sidelines.
re: Putting biases aside, when anticipating the Rent and The Producers movi#23
Posted: 8/25/05 at 10:51am
I went the the movies this past weekend, and they showed the trailer for Rent. After it was over, (as I was going "I can't wait to see this!), the man behind me was saying "I'm so glad that's over!" The over 50 crowd (for the most part) will not go to see Rent (my mother hated the musical, and walked out---she felt that the characters made poor choices, blamed everyone but themselves for these choices, and whined too much). The Producers is a bit of the "nudge nudge wink wink" school of naughtiness, and the older crowd will find that a bit more palatable. I, for one, will see both more than once ( I saw both on Broadway, and loved them both!)
BTW, I'm over 40.
re: Putting biases aside, when anticipating the Rent and The Producers movi#24
Posted: 8/25/05 at 11:01am
TTwang, I agree with everything you said, except for the fact that some people will not see it becuase they do not like musicals. I think that the producers is a lot like spamalot in the fact that it attracts mainly a male audience, and men who hate musicals come in droves every night to see spamalot becuase it is something they are familiar with and know that they will laugh at and have a good time with. just like spamalot, the producers also has a stock audience. anyone who is mel brooks fan will see the producers because it has the brooks name.
I don't think those men out there will see rent becuase of the "Larson" name.
Also, and this is what will allow producers to come out on top-it is more family oriented. Now I don't mean it is disney fare, but when compared to rent, a family of four will go see the lighthearted comedy instead of the real life drama of drug addicts and aids victims, so already in ticket sales, you have 4 tickets being sold at a time compared to 1 or 2 tickets. As a general rule in moviedom, family films always take the cake.
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