#26
Posted: 1/5/04 at 3:19pm
this is all so interesting to compare and contrast, thanks everyone! 
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#27
Posted: 1/5/04 at 3:23pm
That was very interesting. An awesome contribution. When there are so many versions of a story, its interesting to compare and contrast. Fun, too! 
-Dan
-Dan
#28
Posted: 1/5/04 at 9:06pm
You want more definitive closure on Fiyero? He's dead, for heaven's sake. How much more definitive can closure be? At least Maguire respects his readers' intelligence enough to not pull off some bogus resuscitation like the cop-out musical.
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#29
Posted: 1/5/04 at 9:14pm
RAWR! That was harsh. There was no definite closure on Fiyero. Hell, Elphaba couldn't even get simple closure on Fiyero.
~~~~~~~SPOILER OF BOOK~~~~~~~~~~~
Fiyero died while Elphaba was away. We never knew if he was going to leave his wife for Elphaba, how he felt about cheating on his wife and kids. The character wasn't very broad. He left A LOT of baggage, and Elphaba couldn't even get forgiveness for what she did because his wife chose to not speak of it. Lots of indefinite closure to me.
~~~~~~~SPOILER OF BOOK~~~~~~~~~~~
Fiyero died while Elphaba was away. We never knew if he was going to leave his wife for Elphaba, how he felt about cheating on his wife and kids. The character wasn't very broad. He left A LOT of baggage, and Elphaba couldn't even get forgiveness for what she did because his wife chose to not speak of it. Lots of indefinite closure to me.
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#30
Posted: 1/5/04 at 9:46pm
so is his wife Glinda??? I would assume it would be???....
#31
Posted: 1/6/04 at 12:38am
Bernadette88: No, in the novel, his wife is named Melina. He and Glinda don't really have a big love thing going on in the book.
And Roscoe: You're certainly a douchebag... If you've read the book, you'll know that the character of Elphaba has NO closure on Fieryo. Maybe because she doesn't want to believe he's dead, Maybe because that's how Maguire wanted it. I didn't write the book, just my interpretation of it. And that's what this whole board is about: INTERPRETATION.
I agree with you, Maguire does respect his reader's intelligence. Too bad you can't either.
smooches,
David.
And Roscoe: You're certainly a douchebag... If you've read the book, you'll know that the character of Elphaba has NO closure on Fieryo. Maybe because she doesn't want to believe he's dead, Maybe because that's how Maguire wanted it. I didn't write the book, just my interpretation of it. And that's what this whole board is about: INTERPRETATION.
I agree with you, Maguire does respect his reader's intelligence. Too bad you can't either.
smooches,
David.
Updated On: 1/6/04 at 12:38 AM
#32
Posted: 1/6/04 at 6:17am
His wife is Sarima- and I think it is funny that his daughter's name is Nor.
#33
Posted: 1/6/04 at 10:54am
Thanks for the correction... I didn't feel like looking it up as I typed that!
With appreciation, d.
With appreciation, d.
#34
Posted: 1/6/04 at 2:13pm
"Gregory Maguire took some liberties with the story, and what I mean by that is, he fashioned his novel very closely to the movie, however, even the movie deviated from L. Frank Baum's original stories too."
I disagree. It's been a while since I read it (I'm going to start again today), but I wrote a paper on Wicked when it was published, comparing it to both the film and the original Baum story. Maguire's novel follows Baum's story much more closely than the film (but not completely). Since it's been 8 years, my memory is a bit rusty, so I'll refrain from making any more comments until I read it again. I just remember Elphaba as having a strong political agenda.
I disagree. It's been a while since I read it (I'm going to start again today), but I wrote a paper on Wicked when it was published, comparing it to both the film and the original Baum story. Maguire's novel follows Baum's story much more closely than the film (but not completely). Since it's been 8 years, my memory is a bit rusty, so I'll refrain from making any more comments until I read it again. I just remember Elphaba as having a strong political agenda.
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#35
Posted: 1/6/04 at 3:49pm
I just got the book today, and can wait to start reading it!!! I know it is VERY different from the Musical...But I still think it'll be fun!
#36
Posted: 1/6/04 at 4:34pm
Mister Matt:
You clarified my point better than I did... I agree with you.
When I say he crafted his novel after the movie, I meant that he kept some changes the movie made that deviated from the original book (most notably, the switch to Ruby Slippers from... what was it? Crystal? Something other than rubies!)
that's all!
-d.
You clarified my point better than I did... I agree with you.
When I say he crafted his novel after the movie, I meant that he kept some changes the movie made that deviated from the original book (most notably, the switch to Ruby Slippers from... what was it? Crystal? Something other than rubies!)
that's all!
-d.
#37
Posted: 1/6/04 at 5:52pm
Silver slippers! Which incidentally, was kept for The Wiz.
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#38
Posted: 1/7/04 at 10:58am
Is it just me, or does the bit in No One Mourns the Wicked at the beginning when they sing "Hooray! She's Dead!" (or whatever it is) sound an awful lot like the opening of So You Wanted to Meet the Wizard from the OBC of The Wiz?
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