Whoaaaa, MB.
I know you think it's a terrible film. You've made that quite clear. Trust me. I'm aware of that, and I don't think I'm disparaging it. I'm not trying to change your mind or prove to you that it was a better movie than you think it was, am I? I don't have a problem with your opinion, because yes, it's a message board and yes, you're entitled to the opinion and to its expression. I have a problem with what you're choosing to do with it, because you're making a game out of it, and that's really childish.
For the record, I never said the movie was perfect. I just looked past the imperfections because that's my tendency. So what if that's what it is in 10 years? I liked it just the same.
I LOVED BEACHES! How dare you. beaches knew what it was and wasn't trying to be anything else. How can you compare such a delicious melodramatic over the top emotional classic with something as empty as the Rent movie? I am shocked, saddened, and faklempt. How dare you.
Dame, can you explain that statement of yours about the fans ruining the movie?
Wow, I never knew how to spell faklempt.
LOL. I don't know how to spell it.. but I know how to feel it.
Except it's verklempt.
And one more thing MB... Beaches was a huge fat hit. Rent was a huge fat flop.
I thought it was with a v. heh.
It's rare that a movie that performed so badly gets a DVD treatment this good, we should all be very grateful.
Well, often people accuse most Rent or even Wicked fans of being senseless and not engaging in any objective, intelligent discussion of the works they love. So they start dissing some of those fans and complaining about there being too many threads on it. So as a result, sometimes fans who would like to start thought-provoking discussions on the work are deterred from starting threads about them b/c of how much distate is directed at fans of the show, and an overall distate from too many threads on the topic.
Stand-by Joined: 12/7/05
Oh, I, for one, am very swayed by people I do not know, giving me their opinions. BTW, the DVD sounds great, especially if you actually liked the movie:) Any chance to see the Rent gang on tv is one I'll take!
Glad to see the naysayers are in fine form. I do not mind if you trash the film, free world and all. Just do not make it personal with the pricipals.
I know in one ear-out the other:)
wrq, that is one HELL of a long sentence. *breathes*
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/31/69
"Just do not make it personal with the pricipals."
Unfortunately, it's a little late for this advice
Maybe people should reserve comment until they've actually seen the DVD, . . . but who am I kidding this is BWW. Never mind.
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/14/04
Oh, you kids...
but what can you expect on a board made up of the most dramatic people alive (theatre folk that is) :)
As long as the message of Rent came through from the film, the movie in a way succeeded. Critically and financially, it just didn't happen.
Question???
Weren't there supposed to be musical performances on the DVD? I didn't hear any mention of that.
Yeah I don't get how fans made the movie a flop? That just doesn't make sense.
By extra musical performances, I think they probably meant numbers, like Halloween and Goodbye Love.
Feathah, I don't know exactly what DAME meant, but I do sort of believe in the validity of some variation of that. Say that the hardcore Rent fans who were disappointed with the movie told people they knew that i was terrible and not to go see it. That probably killed a lot of potential ticket sales, because if people who are fans of the material can't love the movie, what's the chance that people new to it would?
The only additional musical performances on the DVD are the deleted scenes of "Halloween" & "Goodbye Love."
I'd also like to apologize for what appears on the first page of this post after my review. What was suppose to be a discussion of the DVD became another hate fest. That's all that ever seems to be here at BWW. A reason like someone like me would just rather lurk than post. The problem with many "broadway fans" on this site is that if a show is too successful (Rent, Wicked, Phantom, Producers, Spamalot, etc) it is instantly hated by these "fans" who feel a show can't be known by the public because that is selling out. They feel they should be the only one to know about a show. So, if a show can't quite make it and it only runs for a short time these "fans" love the show because they think it's their show. They are the only ones to know it, so that show is still "cool."
Unfortunately these "fans" seem to forget a famous line from a fantastic show, CABARET... "Money makes the world go round." If you don't have successful shows, then how do producers convince someone to put their money into a theatre production when theatre isn't successful or supported except by those who somehow manage to believe that a show belongs to them?
We must support all shows! Period. That's not to say you have to like them but stop bitching about them all the time. I know that it gets old hearing people always starting a message with "OMG I love blah blah blah," but these teeny boppers are actually supporting theatre!!! They're seeing something live that isn't Britney Spears or some crap teen movie. They have found the theatre. We need to support that and help introduce them to other shows, open their eyes past what ever brings them into this world. For me, if I'd never had RENT and someone who took the time to introduce me to other shows, I'd never have ever known of Chess, Sweeney Todd, Hair, Evita, Sunset Blvd, etc. And with that simple introduction to the world, I have found so much more enjoyment in life.
Stop complaining. Embrace the newbies. You too were a newbie once.
Down from my soap box I go, off to listen to Assassins.
Just speculating, but I think what DAME means is that the film seems to have been largely designed and marketed to appeal to the fans of the play, rather than make the necessary changes that would have given it more appeal to a wider film audience.
Perhaps if they had hired some stars, or been less faithful to the material, the film would have been more popular. That recipe seems to have worked for CHICAGO anyway.
I was thinking back on this the other day (the whole Rent movie), and I realized that no matter how it's doing now, I'm glad it got to video for archival purposes if nothing else.
When I was a high schooler I could have given a **** about shows like Oklahoma that were brought to film. The more I work in theatre, the more appreciative I am of things like Into the Woods and even Fosse - they weren't box office hits, but isn't it great that people 50 years from now will have some kind of reference as to what Rent was? I've come to appreciate it as that.
I just think nowadays it's gonna be harder for a musical to compete with what's out there. Sure Chicago was a hit, but it doesn't mean that every musical brought to film will be, nor that it should. It's going to be hard and it's going to have to be pretty good (not that I'm saying Chicago was the be-all end-all or anything - that's a whole nother board, lol) to get validity amongst the 'norm' that's being pushed out there and that everyone's used to.
What's done is done with the Rent movie. All you can do is see what went wrong, appreciate what works, and move on with your life.
The end.
here a query:
why is it that Rent won a pulitzer, yet everyone (myself included) is always knocking on its quality?
is there some political agenda to the pulitzers that I'm missing?
I mean, a pulitzer would suggest that it's more than a passing fad and it has true merit and substance...so why do I continue to look back on it as a fad?
When I think of it in the time it came about and what it did for so many people I know...I'll always appreciate it becuase of that. But I don't think it's timeless is the thing...
so um, yeah...real point to this post...just thinkin' out loud.
ps. BEACHES RULED!!!! I dunno how I would've gotten through 4th grade without it!!!!
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