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#151

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 7/26/12 at 11:52pm

Spork, I'm sure there a circle of "Very Important Area" that surrounds you wherever you go.

Eric, by all means try the all-day ferry ride from Halifax to Newfoundland. Lots of big waves, greasy food and general vomiting.

It was like sitting through RENT. (Not really, but I can't resist. LOL)

#152

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 7/28/12 at 8:53pm

Hmm... Well, when I first saw it (a local production, mind you), I didn't like it either. Now, I'm OBSESSED. I think it might be so critizised because of the lack of editing. It's a great show, but it's too long, and a lot could have been taken out. When you just listen to it, also, you can just listen to some songs, and you're not watching five straight minutes of "I should tell you, I should tell you". Just MY opinion, though, and I know a lot of people probably won't agree. :)

#153

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 7/28/12 at 11:35pm

Actually, I think you're spot on, flowerchild. To me, RENT is simply unfinished; but there's no question in my mind as to Larson's talent. What a loss!

#154

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 7/29/12 at 12:33am

I don't really care much about the Monday morning quarterbacking of theater fans who feel such shame about their over-the-top enthusiasm for something 16 years ago or 10 years ago or six years ago, that they feel they must now distance themselves from it in order to show growth. Nor do I care much for the people who didn't seem to grasp how much was there from the very beginning when they dismissed RENT.

For me, I go back to the content that was there when I first saw it in 1996 and the fact that people whose opinions I trust saw it and heard it too, be they John Lahr in The New Yorker or New York Times classical music critic Anthony Tommasini. And of course, my personal most trustworthy critic, Michael Feingold of The Village Voice. Like me, he went back and had a look at New World Stages, and saw that it was still there.

For the people who never got RENT, eh, whatever, no explanation is possible. For the people who did, none is necessary.




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#155

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 7/29/12 at 8:09pm

^^^And the shadow (and romance) of Larson's sudden and premature death hovered over all of you, Namo. I don't see how anyone could have missed it.

Do you really want a discussion that includes only those who adore RENT unconditionally? Because surely there are RENT fan-boards where you can find that. (I hope that isn't ALL you want, because your comments on RENT in this thread would be greatly missed.)

Here, I think even those of us who don't love the show as you do have acknowledged that much of it is talented. And we've tried to be honest about our own biases (such as my tendency to see RENT's bohemians as hippies redux).

Isn't that how a good, critical discussion works?

Or to put it another way, are you really saying that in an era when we were losing many of Broadway's brightest lights to illness, that the loss of such a promising newcomer didn't influence your experience of his final show?

#156

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 7/29/12 at 11:28pm

No, actually, I don't want a discussion with you at all. Not one scintilla of a discussion. I don't want to engage with you, specifically, about any theatre related topic. But that's just me.

I was going back to the original question that still sits atop this thread. If anybody out there reading this doesn't get RENT, never liked it, that's fine. There's no law you have to.

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#157

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 7/29/12 at 11:40pm

I still consider RENT to be the absolute worse thing I have ever experienced in a professional theater.

#158

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 7/29/12 at 11:48pm

I have seen Rent four times. Three times it was a national tour, and one was a college production back in March of this year. The first time I saw it was the best, and I absolutely loved the cast and production. The other two times I saw the tour (once with Rapp and Pascal), I was not too impressed. The casts lacked energy and the show just seemed disjointed. I thought the movie was pretty bland and lacking, and thought the casting was just bad. I like Rent, but it is far from my favorite show, and I have no strong desire to see it again anytime soon.

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#159

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 7/29/12 at 11:51pm

So the story so far, OP: there's a whole range of responses to RENT!

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#160

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 7/29/12 at 11:57pm

For the people who never got RENT, eh, whatever, no explanation is possible. For the people who did, none is necessary.

Good point, Namo.

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#161

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 7/29/12 at 11:59pm

(I stole it from The Song of Bernadette, but it works!)

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#162

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 7/30/12 at 12:01am

Yes- it definitely does work! Sums things up pretty well

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#163

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 7/30/12 at 12:06am

Seasons of HATE

#164

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 7/30/12 at 12:35am

You made me laugh in an out loud manner.

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#165

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 7/30/12 at 5:43pm

No, actually, I don't want a discussion with you at all. Not one scintilla of a discussion. I don't want to engage with you, specifically, about any theatre related topic. But that's just me.

Namo, I'm going to continue to address you as the intelligent and well-informed adult I know you can be. You may continue to bang your head on the floor and call me names like a small child. It's a free country.

#166

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 7/30/12 at 5:54pm

I love RENT. but I found the only good parts of the New World Stages production that I attended yesterday at 2:00pm were the set, the female soloist (in all of her roles), and the male soloist as the male soloist. YIKES! The Roger understudy... how did he even get considered to understudy that role? The Mimi looked the part, which I guess was all they cared about because she sure couldn't sing it. That production was particularly painful. Thank God I got tickets for TKTS and did not pay full price for that mess.

#167

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 10/7/12 at 2:02am

Sorry to bump up this old thread, but I found it interesting reading through this, and I actually remember reading this article in which the director admitted to just how flawed the show was, and even said similarly to what others said on here about how there was still A LOT he was going to fix.

"It would've been easier if that had not been the focus," he added. "But that came directly out of Jonathan's material, and while I wish he'd been around so that I could've fought with him about certain things, I'm also sure I would've lost those battles. These questions of how you tell the story of a community continue to challenge me. The show has flaws, certainly."

http://articles.latimes.com/1996-04-14/entertainment/ca-58265_1_jonathan-larson

Just something I thought I'd add, as I find that interesting...

#168

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 10/7/12 at 9:25am

Thanks for the article, interesting reading. Even with it's "flaws", I still loved it.

#169

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 10/7/12 at 10:20am

Even those "flaws" are something that can be glossed over with a good staging. Me, I'm still figuring out how to use the material we're given and manage to have Mimi die at the end.

(No, screw you, it has to happen. Has to. Number one, it drives home the show's moral even more: life moves pretty fast, so live each moment as your last. Number two, after hearing what I heard -- namely, that Larson at one point made the glib statement that "it's okay if the fag dies" when asked why Angel died and Mimi lived -- I want justice. And since he's dead, changing his damn ending is justice.)

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#170

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 10/7/12 at 10:34am

"Number two, after hearing what I heard -- namely, that Larson at one point made the glib statement that "it's okay if the fag dies" when asked why Angel died and Mimi lived -- I want justice"

You're still here posting merde like that, which proves that in many instances, life is not short enough.

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#171

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 10/7/12 at 11:16am

Where in the WORLD did you hear that, g.d.e.l.g.i.? I heard that Larson wanted her to live because he wanted his show to be about life, not death. I personally believe that Angel has to die because he was the last person that sort of kept them together. He dies so they can leave each other and then subsequently realize how much they all need each other.

At least, that's what I believe...

#172

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 10/7/12 at 11:21am

It doesn't matter where he "heard it". He's repeating folklore. He's an idiot. He's a troll.

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#173

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 1/2/19 at 6:38pm

Love both the play and the film. Can see why it gets some heat, though, since it does come across mildly like entitled artists need something to pontificate on while lamenting "persecution". My only real gripe is how Mimi is all about carpe dieming on rando phalli, all while suffering HIV. How many in Ave A has she made clinic fodder has always been my query.

#174

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 1/2/19 at 7:04pm

Now this is an example of bumping a thread. Seven years later!

It's not a play, it's a musical. And the Chris Columbus film is one of the worst movie musicals of all time. Buy or rent (haha) "Rent: Filmed Live On Broadway", it was filmed in 2008 and stars the brilliant Will Chase, Adam Kantor, Rodney Hicks, Tracie Thoms and Renee Elise Goldsberry. It's so exciting, and filmed beautifully.

#175

RENT: Why so much hate?

Posted: 1/2/19 at 11:42pm

Musicals are a subset of plays.

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