Randi Graff not nominated for fantine,but Anne wins? — Page 2

Did Terrence Mann win a Tony? Did Colm Wilkinson?

LOL

She was later nominated and won for the role she deserved, so it all worked out okay.

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Updated On: 3/21/13 at 10:20 AM

I think we all just chose to ignore the silly false comparison and move on with our own discussion.

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I guess I will forever be alone in thinking Anne Hathaway was uninspired and one-note in LES MIZ. Didn't even think she deserved to be nominated. Sorry, but that's just my opinion.

I haven't heard the OBCR of Les Miz in at least 20 years--the only one I own or listen to is the OLCR, but judging from these two clips, she does seem sorta uninspired (though by no means bad) in her big moment. Of course she's on the Donahue Show (apparently some tribute to musicals that included Cats?) so...

Randy on Donahue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pOwOCZrqVo

Just for comparison here's Patti (albeit five or so years after she performed the role) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M4lgq_aEaM

To be fair, it's not that hard to look better than Patti in that wig.
I forgot about Raff's singing during "Fantine's Death," her "waaaake" is, in fact, grating.
I agree with the poster who said she was simply miscast, as she proved in pretty much everything else she's been in, she's insanely talented.

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Graff said in her Obsessed! interview that she didn't have those top notes, but they just figured she'd work up to them. Which is probably the reason her high belt notes sound really unsteady.

In both this and the "Tonight Show" clip, her high belt notes are really unsteady. I recall a friend who played for the auditions saying they kept making all the Fantine candidates sing it like LuPone. "No, belt that! Belt it. Patti did!"

Now, Patti has said that she thought the Broadway company was asked to be a carbon copy of the London production, and I think someone here said it was all sour grapes on her part. This is great corroborating evidence for Patti.

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oscar winners for musical roles originated on Broadway:

1956: Yul Brynner (lead), The King and I, The King, won tony award (featured)

1961: Rita Moreno (supporting), Anita
George Chakiris (supporting), Bernardo
West Side Story
roles created by Chita Rivera and Ken Le Roy, whom were not - yup, that's right, NOT! - nominated for tonys, In revivals, Debbie Allen would be nominated and Karen Olivo would win a tony for their Anitas. (how bizarre that the Anita with the least tony love is the first and foremost!)

1964: Rex Harrison (lead), Henry Higgins, My Fair Lady, won tony (lead)

1968: Barbra Streisand (lead), Fanny Brice, Funny Girl, nominated but didn't win tony (lead)

1972: Liza Minnelli (lead), Sally Bowles
Joel Grey (supporting), Emcee; Cabaret
roles created by Jill Haworth (not nominated for tony) and Joel Grey (won tony, featured): the roles would later win tonys for Natasha Richarson and Alan Cumming (leads); Alyson Reed's Sally would receive a tony nomination for an earlier revival (in which Grey had once again played the Emcee, and so, was not eligible for a nomination)

2002: Catherine Zeta Jones (supporting), Velma Kelly, Chicago
role created by Chita Rivera who was nominated for but did not win the tony (lead), Bebe Newirth would win a tony (lead) for the revival

2006: Jennifer Hudson (supporting), Effie White, Dreamgirls
role created by Jennifer Holliday who won the tony (lead)

2012: Anne Hathaway (supporting) Fantine, Les Miserables
role created on Broadway by Randy Graff, not nominated for the tony

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oscars for non-musical roles which would later be musicalized on Broadway and win the actors creating/reviving those roles tonys:

Jose Ferrer/Christopher Plummer; Cyrano de Bergerac/Cryano (leads); Bill van Dyk would later play Cyrano on Broadway in another version, Cyrano: the Musical; he didn't receive a tony nomination

Lila Kedrova won a best supporting actress oscar for playing Mme. Hortense in Zorba the Greek, a role which Kedrova would later recreate in the revival of the musical Zorba and win a tony (featured); the role in the musical had originally been created by Maria Karnilova (tony nomination, lead)

William Hurt/Brent Carver as Molina in Kiss of the Spider Woman (leads)

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oscar for a musical; tony nomination (but not a win) for same role in another musical

Jimmy Cagney/Joel Grey as George M. Cohan in Yankee Doodle Dandy/George M. (leads)

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oscar for a musical, no tony nomination for the same role in another musical

Luise Rainer/Carolyn Mignini as Anna Held in The Great Ziegfeld/Tintypes

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oscar for a musical, no tony nomination for the stage version

Julie Andrews/Ashley Brown - Mary Poppins (leads)


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non-musical oscar win; tony nomination (but not a win) for the same role in a Bdwy musical

Fredric March/Bob Cuccioli: Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde (leads)

Whoopi Goldberg/Da'vine Joy Randolph as Oda Mae Brown in Ghost (supporting/featured)

Richard Dreyfuss/Martin Short as Elliott in The Goodbye Girl (leads)

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leading non-musical oscar; no tony nomination for the same role in a Bdwy musical

Charles Laughton/Nicol Williamson - The Private Life of Henry VIII/Rex

Ingrid Bergman/Constance Towers - Anastasia/Anya

James Stewart/Stephen Bogardus as Mac Connor in The Philadelphia Story/High Society

Sydney Poitier/Al Freeman, Jr. as Homer Smith in Lilies of the Field/Look to the Lilies

Cliff Robertson/PJ Benjamin as Charlie Gordon in Charly/Charly and Algernon

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supporting non-musical oscar, no tony nomination for the same role in a Bdwy musical

Estelle Parsons/Melissa van der Schyf as Blanche Barrow in Bonnie & Clyde

James Dunn/Johnny Johnston as Johnny Nolan in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn

George Saunders (Addison DeWitt) and Robert Mandan (in the analogous role of Howard Benedict) - All About Eve/Applause

and least lucky of all:

Laurence Naismith who created the Broadway musical roles of Gwyllum Morgan in A Time for Singing and Kris Kringle in Here's Love. Neither performance would bring him a tony nomination. Oscars were awarded the actors who created these roles in non-musical films: Donald Crisp (How Green Was My Valley) and Edmund Gwynn (Miracle on 34th Street).

Updated On: 3/22/13 at 06:10 PM

Wow, great research, henrik.

I applaud you!

... with a Tony nomination (not award) and an Oscar for your efforts!

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I love me some Laurie. She was a replacement. She recorded I Dreamed a Dream on one of her albums.

Unless I"m mistaken, they were nominated (or not nominated) for two different awards. In Les Mis, none of the female roles can really be considered "lead" roles. None of them really carry many elements of the story on their back. In the sense of the movie, Fantine's character was much more prevalent in driving the plot of the beginning, much more than Cosette or 'Ponine or Madame T do in their respective parts of the story. I don't think the fact that Randi was not nominated had anything to do with her, but with the fact that two different award committees may have felt differently about the role's importance to the show itself.