Scott Rudin Planned revivals — Page 2

ctorres23 said: "In the land of cancelville, "abuse" of employees does not bother me anywhere near the level of sexual misconduct/assault or racism."

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He pushed someone out of a moving car...

He threw **** at people...

It's not "abuse" it's abuse.

TheatreFan4 said: "He pushed someone out of a moving car..."

I read that story and I call B.S. on it.

“I guess some appointment didn’t sync on his phone,” he said. “It was years ago, but Kevin told me that Rudin either shoved open a door or shoved him into the door, but basically was yelling, ‘F*CK you, get the **** out of my car’ and Kevin was like, ‘The car’s moving, I can’t,’ and Rudin was like, ‘No, now.’ And I don’t know if he pushed him physically or pushed the door open that he was leaning on, but either way. Kevin said he didn’t exactly have to tuck and roll, but it was the shock of getting thrown out.”

It's from a second-hand source recounting a story he was told a decade ago. I don't doubt that Rudin made him get out of his car but describing it as "he pushed someone from a moving car" is just such a weasel-y exaggeration designed to imply a much more brutal experience than the one that appears to have transpired based on the description.

Dolly80 said: "You sound really nice."

It's not about being nice, I just give a wide berth to grown adults to make choices for themselves. If someone makes the choice to work for a known lunatic, I'm not going to be their mom and try and convince them it's not in their best interest.

To reiterate what I said above, these assistants are not being discriminated against because of a demographic factor they can't control, and they're not being manipulated into satisfying the sexual desires of someone who has power over them. They've chosen to work for a boss who has seemingly extreme anger management issues (among other things), and if one day they decide they that is not something they want in their lives, they have full agency to walk out the door.

Updated On: 5/17/21 at 07:59 PM

ctorres23 said: "To reiterate what I said above, these assistants are not being discriminated against because of a demographic factor they can't control, and they're not being manipulated into satisfying the sexual desires of someone who has power over them. They've chosen to work for aboss who has seemingly extreme anger management issues (among other things), and if one day they decide they that is not something they want in their lives, they have full agency to walk out the door."

Yes, sounds great. Do you know the type of people who start off as assistants? Young actors & writers new to Hollywood or NY who are going to be not too familiar with his reputation but know he is a VERY powerful producer. Have you EVER heard of the term "Power Dynamics"? You seem to have because you highlighted it pretty thoroughly with your bit about sexual assault. So you're just incredibly obtuse and don't give a **** because it is the EXACT ****ing same thing. Rudin getting off on the power that he has, he just didn't do it sexually (that we know of). He is a monster. He has assaulted & abused multiple people. Just because they're not sexual in nature doesn't make them any less so.

ctorres23 said: "TheatreFan4 said: "He pushed someone out of a moving car..."

I read that story and I call B.S. on it.

“I guess some appointment didn’t sync on his phone,” he said. “It was years ago, but Kevin told me that Rudin either shoved open a door or shoved him into the door, but basically was yelling, ‘F*CK you, get the **** out of my car’ and Kevin was like, ‘The car’s moving, I can’t,’ and Rudin was like, ‘No, now.’ And I don’t know if he pushed him physically or pushed the door open that he was leaning on, but either way. Kevin said he didn’t exactly have to tuck and roll, but it was the shock of getting thrown out.”

It's from asecond-hand source recounting a story he was told a decade ago. I don't doubt that Rudin made him get out of his car but describing it as "he pushed someone from a moving car" is just such a weasel-y exaggeration designed to imply a much more brutal experience than the one that appears to have transpired based on the description.

Dolly80 said: "You sound really nice."

It's not about being nice, I just give a wide berth to grown adults to make choices for themselves. If someone makes the choice to work for a known lunatic, I'm not going to be their mom and try and convince them it's not in their best interest.

To reiterate what I said above, these assistants are not being discriminated against because of a demographic factor they can't control, and they're not being manipulated into satisfying the sexual desires of someone who has power over them. They've chosen to work for aboss who has seemingly extreme anger management issues (among other things), and if one day they decide they that is not something they want in their lives, they have full agency to walk out the door."


Thank you!! Finally a voice of reason.

ctorres23 said: You are infantilizing these adults in order to justifywhy a mob needed to fight their battles for them, when in fact they could just quit their job and be forever free of the bad man.

Infantilizing? Oh now we're just throwing out words! They're people in their early 20s, usually new to the city and trying to break into the industry. GTFO with your nonsense. "They could just quit their job!" and be replaced with someone else for him to abuse. The man went through 118 Assistants in 5 years. Guess what? They did leave!

TheatreFan4 said: Someone using their occupational power to manipulate a subordinate into sex is very definitely not exactly the sameas having a reputation for angry outbursts when assistants do not execute their job responsibilities. It concerns me that you think they're equivalent."

They are both abuse and it has nothing to do with whether or not someone was able to perform their job responsibilities. He used his power to abuse people.

Why don't you just say you think he did nothing wrong and that's the price we all have to pay for the good he's done. Trot out of the line of defense that has been for literally every abuser from here to the beginning of time. It's a REAL good look for you.

HogansHero said: "TheatreFan4 said: "They are both abuse and it has nothing to do with whether or not someone was able to perform their job responsibilities. He used his power to abuse people.

Why don't you just say you think he did nothing wrong and that's the price we all have to pay for the good he's done. Trot out of the line of defense that has been for literally every abuser from here to the beginning of time. It's a REAL good look for you."

I called out the person with whom you are interacting as a troll quite a while ago, and it remains true. It's just getting more pathetic as the apologetic posing continues because a troll has to keep ratcheting it up, or else no one pays attention. (And that's the pathology.) Everything you say above is, of course, correct. Let me just put a little more meat on the bones. I think we all understand what assault is, and there are obviously cases of assault here, with multiple witnesses. But this is New York, not some jurisdiction that abides this type of conduct. We call it harassment.Under our law, a person is guilty of Harassment in theSecond Degree when, with intent to harass, annoy or alarmanother person, he or sheengages in a course of conduct or repeatedly commits actswhich alarm or seriously annoy such other person and
which serve no legitimate purpose. Rudin did this in spades. And here in New York, we don't countenance as a defense that there are other crimes that would be worse. Astonishingly that's some of the nonsensewe are reading in this this thread. Having said all that, I encourage you not to feed the troll."

Says the queen of all trolls. Again, u don’t run these boards. You’re not in charge. U have ZERO authority. People can post whatever they want. Get a life and maybe find something else to do.

New Yorkers are legally entitled to a workplace to a safe, abuse-free, and harassment-free workplace. Requiring someone to quit as a remedy is anathema under New York law. And defending a physically and emotionally abusive boss is anathema to our society's sense of morals, ethics, and common decency. I didn't think I would have to explain that.

ctorres23 said: "TheatreFan4 said: "Do you know the type of people who start off as assistants? Young actors & writers new to Hollywood or NY who are going to be not too familiar with his reputation but know he is a VERY powerful producer."

You are infantilizing these adults in order to justifywhy a mob needed to fight their battles for them, when in fact they could just quit their job and be forever free of the bad man.

TheatreFan4 said: "Have you EVER heard of the term "Power Dynamics"? You seem to havebecauseyou highlighted it pretty thoroughly with your bit about sexual assault. So you're just incredibly obtuse and don't give a **** because it is the EXACT ****ing same thing."

Someone using their occupational power to manipulate a subordinate into sex is very definitely not exactly the sameas having a reputation for angry outbursts when assistants do not execute their job responsibilities. It concerns me that you think they're equivalent."

At the risk of possibly diluting the reports of the man's abuse with intersectionality, did you read how he ESPECIALLY abused women of color? Casual racism is okay by you?

ctorres23 said: "HogansHero said: "New Yorkers are legally entitled to a workplace to a safe, abuse-free, and harassment-free workplace. Requiring someone to quit as a remedy is anathema under New York law. And defending a physically and emotionally abusive boss is anathema to our society's sense of morals, ethics, and common decency. I didn't think I would have to explain that."

Both this and your claim that Rudin is guilty of "harassment" are the epitome of Bad Legal Takes."

Your putative willful blindness about Rudin's conduct does not provide a foundation for any discussion, Troll.

BroadwayNYC2 said: "Always fun to play spot the Republican here, they usually say the quiet parts out loud."

I've literally never voted for a Republican and can't imagine I ever will. But running purity tests against other members of the left instead of trying to broaden the coalition is how the left loses elections despite their policies being more popular than the right's.

HogansHero said: "This is not a left or right issue. The law is the law and the facts are the facts. Both are clear in this case."

Are you just cosplaying a prosecutor giving a closing argument to a jury right now? What the hell are you talking about?

Rudin's not being charged with anything and at no point was that even on the table. I am discussing the various forces that caused him to voluntarily step down, and you're over here arguing with yourself about the finer points of assault versus harassment in New York State law. It's a weird digression. Please take it to PM with yourself.

HogansHero said: "Besides, your prior racist posts give the lie to your claims here."

You compared Robin de Jesus's interactions with his producers to the relationship between sharecroppers and landowners. But, sure, I'm the racist. The ultimate defense is to accuse others first of what you know yourself to be guilty of.

Updated On: 5/18/21 at 01:35 PM

ctorres23 said: "HogansHero said: "Besides, your prior racist posts give the lie to your claims here."

You compared Robin de Jesus's interactions with his producers to the relationship between sharecroppers and landowners. But, sure, I'm the racist. The ultimate defense is to accuse others first of what you know yourself to be guilty of."

Yes, you are a troll and a racist and a dissembler and probably a lot worst. You had UV have fun though. I am not feeding you anymore.