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#26

re: THE STORY OF MY LIFE previews at the Booth Feb. 3

PRFRMR20, I respectfully disagree.

ALTAR BOYZ and MY FIRST TIME are a couple of the few exceptions.

It took ALTAR BOYZ more than three years to recoup. Not every producer can afford to be that patient.

The other shows you listed were not produced Off-Broadway recently.

The climate is different nowadays.

I saw WHAT'S THAT SMELL Off-Broadway last week. Received raves at the Atlantic and transferred to New World's 199 seat theatre for a commercial run. The theatre wasn't half filled.

Tourists don't know Off-Broadway exists. They visit NYC and want to see Broadway shows.

And as long as there are producers and investors willing to put these shows on Broadway, lucky for the authors, they will, and the shows will gain exposure and awards recognition even if they don't recoup.
"Winning a Tony this year is like winning Best Attendance in third grade: no one will care but the winner and their mom."
-Kad

"I have also met him in person, and I find him to be quite funny actually. Arrogant and often misinformed, but still funny."
-bjh2114 (on Michael Riedel)

Updated On: 11/24/08 at 12:42 AM

#27

re: THE STORY OF MY LIFE previews at the Booth Feb. 3

PRFRMR20 - You are naming exceptions to the rule. How many shows are currently playing off-Broadway? How many of those will be another Altar Boyz or I Love You...Change, in terms of financial success?

I think small shows have just as much chance of succeeding on Broadway as they do off-Broadway. Look at The 39 Steps.
#28

re: THE STORY OF MY LIFE previews at the Booth Feb. 3

Thanks for your respectful response!

To respectfully respond a little to your post:

1. In todays economy recouping is going to take time... should investors be putting money into the stock market or into long term cds, bonds, etc. It is like going to Las Vegas with your money to try to make a fast return on your money today.

2. There are plenty of unsuccessful small Off-bway shows but there are plenty of unsuccessful big Broaday shows as well. I am saying that based on the past small shows to have a life in NY and beyond (cds, music, regional) the majority, if not all, have been Off-Bway.

3. I agree that Tourists don't go to NYC to see an Off-Bway show. But tourists aren't what make an Off-Bway show successful. Tourists don't go to NY to pay $120 to see a 2 man show (no matter how artistically amazing it is). The small shows that are successful come from word of mouth in the theatre-going communities in NY, NJ, CT, PA and those who are visiting NY who "know" theatre. Though having tourist come is great, they are not the original target audience and thus having tourists be the target audience (Broadway) a small show on Broadway probably won't work.

4. Yes that is great for the authors. All I am saying is that especially today, it makes more sense to start off-bway and then transfer to Bway if it is a huge success (look at Spring Awakening, which happens to be closing sooner than everyone originally thought). Would you rather risk less money and invest in the "historically" smart next Off-Broadway show (Altar Boyz) or take a gamble and invest in the next Broadway flop (Glory Days). I would love for "The Story of My Life" to succeed even though I know nothing about it except for the Director and Cast, but moving it to Broadway seems destined for failure whereas starting it Off-Bway allows more options for a fruitful future re: THE STORY OF MY LIFE previews at the Booth Feb. 3
#29

re: THE STORY OF MY LIFE previews at the Booth Feb. 3

Let's not count plays because they are completely different (don't quote me, but like 80% of plays are a cast of around 5 or smaller)

PERFECTLIAR - Name ONE Broadway show with a cast of 4 or less that has recouped (and not a one man show based on the star name [i.e. Liza, Mandy, etc])... I CAN'T

Yes, I am naming the exceptions, but there are NO exceptions (that I can think of) for Broadway

Updated On: 11/24/08 at 01:02 AM

#30

re: THE STORY OF MY LIFE previews at the Booth Feb. 3

Well, you look at a show like SPRING AWAKENING, that started at an Off-Broadway non-profit, sold out, and moved to Broadway, and won a bunch of Tony Awards, and recouped.

Then you look at a show like GREY GARDENS which started at an Off-Broadway non-profit, sold out, moved to Broadway, won a bunch of Tony Awards, and lost every penny put into it.

Then we look at IN THE HEIGHTS, which started with an Off-Broadway commercial run, did not sell out at all, was considered by many to be a niche-show, was moved to Broadway anyway, and won a bunch of Tony Awards. The verdict is still out on whether it will recoup.

My point is you just never know what will stick. There is no set formula on what works and what doesn't.
"Winning a Tony this year is like winning Best Attendance in third grade: no one will care but the winner and their mom."
-Kad

"I have also met him in person, and I find him to be quite funny actually. Arrogant and often misinformed, but still funny."
-bjh2114 (on Michael Riedel)
#31

re: THE STORY OF MY LIFE previews at the Booth Feb. 3

I am fine with it because I am confident with where I stand... but, how am I the only one on my side here? :) Doesn't anyone on BWW agree with me? I think I have given some pretty strong evidence and ideas...

Any support?
#32

re: THE STORY OF MY LIFE previews at the Booth Feb. 3

I think we are all on the side of art.

And art succeeding by getting exposure and recognition both critically and financially.

Art being given the opportunity to make a mark in the musical theatre canon and live on.

Like I said, there is no formula.

Each piece of art with each set of producers has a different potential of succeeding or failing on different levels.
"Winning a Tony this year is like winning Best Attendance in third grade: no one will care but the winner and their mom."
-Kad

"I have also met him in person, and I find him to be quite funny actually. Arrogant and often misinformed, but still funny."
-bjh2114 (on Michael Riedel)
#33

re: THE STORY OF MY LIFE previews at the Booth Feb. 3

Right but neither are small shows. The smallest, Grey Gardens failed on Bway (financially, I would never have moved it up...) And remember, more money is put in once they plan to move to Bway. Grey Gardens may have recouped it's original investment Off-Bway (I don't know how it did financially before the transfer). I agree that there is no set formula, but statistically the smaller the show the harder it will be to succeed on Bway.

With the 3 you mentioned... I bet that this statistical formula works perfectly.

Grey Gardens (smallest): Failed when moved to Bway
Spring Awakening (middle): Recouped and Tony Awards but started to fall after OBC left
In The Height (largest): Tony Awards and likely to recoup and pass SA's broadway life...

Aside from this, I would love for anyone to think of a Broadway musical with a cast of 4 or less that recouped!
#35

re: THE STORY OF MY LIFE previews at the Booth Feb. 3

Grey Gardens may have recouped it's original investment Off-Bway (I don't know how it did financially before the transfer).

GREY GARDENS was originally produced at a non-profit theater. The term "recoup" is irrelevant. Non-profit shows don't recoup their investment because they are not invested in. The theater receives donations, which by definition, the donor is not expecting to get back. If the show is successful and the non-profit theater makes money, they are legally obligated to put all that money back into the theater.

The majority of shows make their money in regional productions and tours. No one will produce your show regionally if they haven't heard of it, and no one will have heard of it unless it was on Broadway. There may be a couple of shows that have achieved regional success without a Broadway run (THE LAST FIVE YEARS, which was NOT a financial success originally), but the vast majority need the Broadway label.

That is what Foster means by "commercial off-Broadway is dead." (At least, I think so. He'll correct me if I'm wrong.) It is just as difficult for shows to turn a profit off-Broadway as it is on Broadway, but the difference is that it is MUCH more difficult to continue making money after the production closes.

[TITLE OF SHOW] could have run forever off-Broadway, and the average American theatergoer would never have heard of it and regional theaters would never have attempted it. Even though it was a financial flop, those three or four months on Broadway ensure it a name recognition that means more amateur and regional productions in the future, thereby continuing to make money for the producers and perhaps eventually paying back the original investment.
Nothing matters but knowing nothing matters. ~ Wicked
Everything in life is only for now. ~ Avenue Q
There is no future, there is no past. I live this moment as my last. ~ Rent

"He's a tramp, but I love him."
#36

re: THE STORY OF MY LIFE previews at the Booth Feb. 3

Yero my Hero, yes, that's exactly what I meant by "COMMERCIAL Off-Broadway is dead."
"Winning a Tony this year is like winning Best Attendance in third grade: no one will care but the winner and their mom."
-Kad

"I have also met him in person, and I find him to be quite funny actually. Arrogant and often misinformed, but still funny."
-bjh2114 (on Michael Riedel)
#37

re: THE STORY OF MY LIFE previews at the Booth Feb. 3

Thought I was done but need to respond to your post Yero:

You're right, Grey Gardens was at a non-profit theatre. I don't know (or care to kno much) about Grey Gardens and forgot that it won the Richard Rodgers Award which allowed it to be produced at Playwrights Horizons (I know this because I am involved with a show that was just submitted for the Award). This, however, still doesn't affect my "statistical formula" that the smallest of the 3 shows listed did the worst on Broadway.

Do you think Grey Gardens, Title of Show, Glory Days, etc. will become the next big regional shows???? I wouldn't say that these show that lasted "three or four months" (or shorter) are the shows that regional theatre are looking to produce ("If it flopped on Broadway, it will flop here...")

Look at Altar Boyz (and the others I mentioned Tick Tick, Last 5). It is one of the most popular regional productions right now and it "ran forever off-broadway" and the regional theatres are more than "attempting it". It is almost a sure bank of a show... Though the Broadway label is great, the success of a show for future productions isn't determined by if it was on Bway.

Once again, name one Broadway show (didn't even have to recoup on Bway), but is as we are now talking, having a successful regional theatre run (in high demand) that has 4 or less cast members.

Once someone names a show, I "might" be willing to rest my case. :)

No, there is no formula... but I have some pretty strong evidence that there is a dotted lined formula to follow and in today's economy, it would be pretty foolish to not stay in the lines!


Updated On: 11/24/08 at 01:50 AM

#39

re: THE STORY OF MY LIFE previews at the Booth Feb. 3

I don't know (or care to kno much) about Grey Gardens and forgot that it won the Richard Rogers Award which allowed it to be produced at the Atlantic

GREY GARDENS wasn't produced at the Atlantic.

It was produced at Playwrights Horizons.
"Winning a Tony this year is like winning Best Attendance in third grade: no one will care but the winner and their mom."
-Kad

"I have also met him in person, and I find him to be quite funny actually. Arrogant and often misinformed, but still funny."
-bjh2114 (on Michael Riedel)
#40

re: THE STORY OF MY LIFE previews at the Booth Feb. 3

Both changes were made...

1. As I said I don't know much about Grey Gardens. I knew it was at either Atlantic or PH and thought the wrong one because I was talking about SA as well.
2. I am not the author or the one who submitted. I participated as an actor in a staged reading at a predominant theatre in NYC and also sang on the demo recording. The show was submitted and we have high hopes for it. (The composer had a previous show that was a finalist for the Award)

Thank you for your corrections. In the words of Nathan Detroit, "Sue me." I am typing a lot and fast and it is late and I think I have made some very valuable statements/arguments that are far more important than to solely correct a missing letter.

EDIT: I meant to also say... that's great for Grey Gardens. But compare those 6 to:

http://www.MTIshows.com/show_home.asp?id=000240
http://www.MTIshows.com/show_home.asp?id=000191
and the every top regional theatre production of Altar Boyz!

I don't think that is a valid argument



Updated On: 11/24/08 at 02:13 AM

#41

re: THE STORY OF MY LIFE previews at the Booth Feb. 3

Getting back to the topic at-hand, I'm very much excited for this show. To finally be able to Malcolm Gets onstage is super-incredible a prospect. Anyone who saw the out-of-town run have a song list available, or a scanned program? I'd LOVE to know what songs are in this one. I've only followed this one from the beginning, and kinda got lost, any insight appreciated.

Best,
- Mike re: THE STORY OF MY LIFE previews at the Booth Feb. 3
#43

re: THE STORY OF MY LIFE previews at the Booth Feb. 3

I've typed up the Musical Numbers list as of the most recent run at Goodspeed. I also scanned the credits page, but I'm not sure I know how to add it to the post... If what I did didnt work and anyone still wants to see it, somebody's gonna have to tell me what I need to do to make that happen.

I saw the production on October 16 and thought it was a beautiful piece, but I agree that it is much better suited for Off-Broadway. The Norma Terris was a good, intimate setting for it. The show didn't sell as well as hoped, but you definitely can't judge how well it will do on Broadway compared with the blue-hairs of Chester, CT. The folks I saw it with cried at the end as much as I did (even though I tried not to.)


GOODSPEED MUSICALS
presents

THE STORY OF MY LIFE
A New Musical

Cast of Characters

Thomas Weaver—Will Chase
Alvin Kelby—Malcolm Gets


MUSICAL NUMBERS

Write What You Know—Thomas
Mrs. Remington—Alvin
The Greatest Gift—Alvin & Thomas
1876—Thomas
Normal—Thomas
People Carry On—Alvin
The Butterfly—Thomas
Saying Goodbye (Part 1)—Thomas & Alvin
Here's Where It Begins—Thomas & Alvin
Saying Goodbye (Part 2)—Thomas & Alvin
Independence Day—Alvin
Saying Goodbye (Part 3)—Thomas & Alvin
I Like It Here—Thomas
You're Amazing, Tom—Alvin
Writer's Block—Thomas
Saying Goodbye (Part 4)—Thomas & Alvin
I Didn't See Alvin—Thomas
This Is It—Alvin & Thomas
Angels In The Snow—Alvin & Thomas

THE STORY OF MY LIFE is performed without an intermission.

GOODSPEED MUSICALS | 2008 SEASON
________________________________________________________________________________ "...if you want a hit, learn what Sondheim doesn't know and let a big black lady stop the show!" --Martin Short: Fame Becomes Me
#44

re: THE STORY OF MY LIFE previews at the Booth Feb. 3

I attended Bound For Broadway at Merkin Concert Hall last week, where Will Chase and Malcolm Gets sang Mrs. Remington and The Butterfly. Two genuinely beautiful songs, sung by two outstanding performers. It definitely stirred my interest and can't wait for this show to open.
#45

re: THE STORY OF MY LIFE previews at the Booth Feb. 3

Yes, "The Butterfly" was truly an AMAZING song and Chase performs it AMAZINGLY! But it's even more special when you see Gets's reaction to it and understand the context of it...

It's not a show where people are going to go out humming the songs, this is true. Other than that one, I can't remember the melodies of any of the other songs in the show. But I do remember the stories of each song in the show. And as a whole, the songs do what they're supposed to do.
________________________________________________________________________________ "...if you want a hit, learn what Sondheim doesn't know and let a big black lady stop the show!" --Martin Short: Fame Becomes Me
#47

re: THE STORY OF MY LIFE previews at the Booth Feb. 3

re: THE STORY OF MY LIFE previews at the Booth Feb. 3

Here's the credit's page. Thanks for the site, Jeremiah! If anyone wants the cover or anything else from the program, let me know...


________________________________________________________________________________ "...if you want a hit, learn what Sondheim doesn't know and let a big black lady stop the show!" --Martin Short: Fame Becomes Me
#48

The Story Of My Life - Toronto production

I saw this show in Toronto in a professional production mounted with Brent Carver as one of the leads. I forget the other actor's name, but his performance outshone Brent's, possibly due to the nature of the role. I did feel there was some gorgeous music in the show as well as some lovely moments. I am aware much work has been done on the show since that time. Still, I don't believe the average Bdwy theater-goer is going to get much bang for his/her bucks. Like A Catered Affair, I think it will be appreciated and respected, but it all comes down to the bottom dollar, doesn't it? Hopefully this show will find an audience of discerning theater-goers who will keep it running, but....
#49

The Story Of My Life - Toronto production

I can definitely agree with that, especially at 90 minutes with no intermission. That's over $1 a minute at average ticket prices, LOL!


________________________________________________________________________________ "...if you want a hit, learn what Sondheim doesn't know and let a big black lady stop the show!" --Martin Short: Fame Becomes Me
#50

The Story Of My Life - Toronto production

Are there any audio or video clips of this show online? I'm dying to hear or see something from it (hopefully it'll help me decide between seeing this or Guys and Dolls)

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