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#26

re: Top Ten Musicals Since Showboat That Changed Broadway

**I am going on what I have read, so forgive me if I am wrong** But, at the time of RENT, the main things that were on broadway were shows that have been running a while (Phantom, CATS, etc.) and musicals made from movies (B&B, Lion King, Victor/Victoria) and Revivals. Also, wasn't it the first musical (Outside of Disney) to get National Attention, from the TIMES, etc in a long time? Also, while rock musicals were still around, RENT made it popular again.

Ok, Margo. I am ready for the beatdown. Give it to me gently.
re: Top Ten Musicals Since Showboat That Changed Broadway
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Updated On: 10/29/04 at 02:08 PM

#27

re: Top Ten Musicals Since Showboat That Changed Broadway

Aw man, someone mentioned PAL JOEY. Pardon me for having a sappy moment here. I flat out LOVE that show.

Margo, if I wasn't already married..... :)
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#28

re: Top Ten Musicals Since Showboat That Changed Broadway

I think I would have to say the show that changed broadway greatly, in my opinion, is HAIR. Hair was really teh first show to take what was going on in the world and bring it to the public. The world was in chaos and broadway musicals did not represent that at all. Hair also was the first successful musical to have a fully rock score. Besides that, it was an important vehicle for freedom of speech laws(boston and other cities trying to close it down)
#30

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La Cage made it "ok" to be gay in theatre and be accepted
David walked into the valley With a stone clutched in his hand He was only a boy But he knew someone must take a stand There will always be a valley Always mountains one must scale There will always be perilous waters Which someone must sail -Into the Fire Scarlet Pimpernel
#31

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Spider --

Your points are well-taken, though TOMMY had been a big hit rock musical just a couple of seasons before RENT (and had a big following among the teens and 20-somethings). SMOKEY JOE'S CAFE was a huge hit revue that opened just the season before and featured pop/rock styled vocals (not unlike what American Idol would help further popularize a few years later), though the rock music in question was of a less youth-oriented variety than that featured in RENT. And at the time, I personally thought that BRING IN 'DA NOISE was a more groundbreaking show than RENT, given its more hip-hop flavored score (RENT's music always struck me as a throwback to the middle-of-the-road rock that was popular back in the early to mid '80s).

RENT certainly got a lot of press attention, but did that really "change" Broadway?


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Updated On: 10/29/04 at 04:03 PM

#32

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RENT has spawned LOTS of imitators. Most of them just end up failing. That's why MAMMA MIA has had such an impact. Who cares if any of these upcoming shows succeed? It's because of MAMMA MIA that they are even trying.

Also, RENT started the whole concept of the lottery. RENT created a WHOLE NEW AUDIENCE of young theatergoers for Broadway, who then went to ROCKY HORROR, TABOO, WICKED, etc.
#33

Top Ten Musicals Since Showboat That Changed Broadway

My opinions are just that....

1. Dreamgirls
2. A Chorus Line
3. Gypsy
4. Cats
5. Phantom of the Opera
6. The Lion King
7. Guys and Dolls
8. Chicago (Revival)
and two that changed my broadway
9. Ragtime
10. Jekyll and Hyde
#34

Top Ten Musicals Since Showboat That Changed Broadway

I don't think Rent changed Broadway because it was a rock musical, but because of all its elements. The first rock musical to win the Pulitzer, Tonys and critical acclaim as well as creating an instant cult phenomenon spawning the lottery and sidewalk sleepers (Rentheads). It was a little Off-Broadway show that truly did bring in a whole new audience to Broadway.
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#37

Top Ten Musicals Since Showboat That Changed Broadway

I think the suignificance of RENT is it's origins. It started off-off Broadway at a dingy little theatre, and became a Broadway hit at a time when huge overblown spectacles were in fashion. It paved the way for other littl;e shows like Urinetown and Avenue Q.

I think THE PRODUCERS is important because it is the ultimate "retro" musical. It manages to both celebrate and parody the musical comedy conventions of the "golden age". It basically said, "everything old is new again".
#38

Top Ten Musicals Since Showboat That Changed Broadway

I can't believe no one has mentioned WICKED or BKLYN!!!!
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#40

Top Ten Musicals Since Showboat That Changed Broadway

Changed in what way?

I wrote a paper on how theatre has become more liberal over time and has made society more aware of the themes it can encounter in modern america. So, in that kind of light, I'd say "Hair" changed broadway. The fact that "Hair" would display public nudity ended up in a case w/ the supreme court.

And, for groundbreaking plays, "The Goat or Who Is Sylvia" deals with beastiality, and "Long Day's Journey Into Night" is pretty heavy in the fact that the mother is a morphine addict, the father and sons are alcoholics, and the youngest son has tuberculosis, and the time it's taking place is 1912 or so, AND, it is Eugene O' Neill's autobiographical play. Only, it was written in the 1920s, but not published until the 1950s.
#41

Top Ten Musicals Since Showboat That Changed Broadway

The thread's about musicals -- plays that changed Broadway and the theatre in general would be a VERY long list......

Long Day's was written from 1939 to 1941, and first produced posthumously in 1956.

The Goat is far too recent to be considered a play that changed anything and the bestiality contrivance broke no new ground. In the play, bestiality is simply an absurdist construct (it's Albee after all) and it's hardly the first play to deal with transgressive social behavior (for example, remember Sebastian Venable being cannibalized 50 years before, at a time when theatre audiences were still capable of being shocked......).
"What a story........ everything but the bloodhounds snappin' at her rear end." -- Birdie [http://margochanning.broadwayworld.com/] "The Devil Be Hittin' Me" -- Whitney

Updated On: 10/30/04 at 05:57 AM

#42

Top Ten Musicals Since Showboat That Changed Broadway

PAL JOEY (1st musical with an anti-hero as the main character)
OKLAHOMA! (1st totally integrated book musical, using script, song & dance to advance the plot)
CAROUSEL (1st musical to attempt weaving dialogue and song together so they become one - witness the genius of the "Park Bench"/"If I Love You" Scene - which is almost universally done today)
SOUTH PACIFIC (1st successful musical to use a "fluid" set - the actual first was ALLEGRO but that was a flop)
WEST SIDE STORY (took the use of dance in the telling of a musical story to a new level and dealt with the serious subject of urban ethnic gang war)
CABARET (the 1st attempt at a "concept" musical with the concept of the Emcee woven into an otherwise standard book musical - a major visionary departure from the norm by the genius of Hal Prince)
A CHORUS LINE (taking dance in musical theater to yet another level and developing the "concept" musical)
COMPANY (firmly establishing the "concept" musical as a major art & entertainment form)
JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR (both something of a "throwback" to the 19th century in taking musical theatre away from integrated dialogue and song to a through sung operatic form as well as establishing the modern "rock opera" as a major force in musical theater)
SUNDAY IN THE PARK WITH GEORGE (stretching musical theater as an art form to new heights, leading the way for the contemporary works of William Finn, Jason Robert Brown, Adam Guettel, Michael John La Chiusa, etc.)

Unfortunately, there is an 11th - MAMMA MIA - the first mega hit "tribute" musical that launched the plethora of "tribute" shows that now threaten to destroy all that has gone before.

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#43

Top Ten Musicals Since Showboat That Changed Broadway

Well, they are not necessarily all my favorites but I believe each of the following brought something new and started a trend on The Great White Way and worldwide. There are more but I am limiting them to 10, as asked.

HAIR
CABARET
A CHORUS LINE
THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA
LA CAGE AUX FOLLES
CHICAGO
RENT
THE PRODUCERS
MAMMA MIA
AVENUE Q
And an honorary mention to THE LION KING

Take care
#44

Top Ten Musicals Since Showboat That Changed Broadway

I can't believe no one has mentioned AIN'T MISBEHAVIN'. Unless I am mistaken,(which would not be a first) it was the first hit Broadway show to use a completely pre-written score, win Tonys and make a lot of money. It proved that you don't need to spend a lot on sets, costumes or even hire a composer to have a hit. It paved the way for all the juke box extravaganzas that followed.
PEACE.
#45

Top Ten Musicals Since Showboat That Changed Broadway

I love your list, MargoChanning, with just one problem:

"How did RENT "Change" Broadway? It wasn't the first rock musical (or the 20th for that matter) and, so far, hasn't spawned any imitators. It's a successful show in and of itself, but how has it influenced any others?"

It changed Broadway because, although it wasn't the first musical to deal with AIDS, it was the first hit musical to do so. It brought it to the front lines, it put it in your face and said "This is what happens with AIDS, plain and simple." Not only that, it had a message that spoke to the younger generation that was getting shoved farther and farther away from Broadway, and the message was to live life to it's fullest. That is EXACTLY why it was the Hair of the '90's.

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