Upcoming Japanese production of GYPSY renamed as ROSE due to sensitivity regarding the original title- Page 2

[FolliesCabaret]

Posted: 1/27/26 at 6:51pm

I've always held the opinion that the shows title shouldn't change, especially because that was her actual stage name. But I do want to say, I don't think Gypsy the musical and the Legacy Robe have anything to do with each other. Even though they use(d) the term in the same way (wanderer, tourfolk, etc), changing one (the show) feels irresponsible while changing the other (the robe) has always felt in good-faith to me. 

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 1/27/26 at 7:08pm

The thing is that her stage name "Gypsy" comes directly from the intention "Gypsy" is always used in. Travelers, it is a known slur for Romani people. There is no way anybody could argue it another way. That is why her name is "Gypsy". The Robe was called that for the exact same reason. They were "Gypsies" traveling from show to show. It all goes back to the original use of it as a slur that was then co-opted by people as not a slur. 

I don't think anybody is really beating down the door over the word now considering it is so far from removed from its original connotations. 

[Merkin2]

Posted: 1/28/26 at 10:09am

Yeah same as master bedroom.  I hope they change the legacy robe back to the gypsy robe. 

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 1/28/26 at 7:44pm

Merkin2 said: "Yeah same as master bedroom. I hope they change the legacy robe back to the gypsy robe."

Well they're not going to be doing that because its something people are called, versus the show which is a museum piece. 

[Gizmo6]

Posted: 1/29/26 at 10:29am

People also forget the name has Gypsy has a double meaning, it's the stage name of Gypsy Rose Lee, a Burlesque performer and in the early to mid 20th Century performers were called Gypsies because they travelled city to city it's actually explained in detail in the musical Applause with the song "She's no longer a Gypsy" with the character elevating from the chorus dancers to a leading role. 

We should not project modern identity anxieties on period pieces. We cannot have a character identify themselves as they did in life because some people in the audience or more likely on X.COM will be upset by it. 

Everything is taken as an attack because people are losing the concept of "suspension of disbelief". As a gay man, I hate the push from some corners that only someone from each of the LGBTQI can play the roles. This isn't acting and it reinforces the norm of not casting gay men in leading mens roles because women won't find it desirable or believable, with J.Bailey, C.Storrie and H.Williams proving this wrong. Change is happening and some are trying to push it from one extreme to the other, it needs to find its own place. 

 

binau said: "At this point I’m turning into a cranky old grandpa but I don’t care. The show is Gypsy and called Gypsy for a reason, if they don’t want to do Gypsy they should not do it. What are they goingto do with the dialogue?"

 

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 1/29/26 at 1:04pm

Gizmo6 said: "People also forget the name has Gypsy has a double meaning, it's the stage name of Gypsy Rose Lee, a Burlesque performer and in the early to mid 20th Century performers were called Gypsies because they travelled city to city it's actually explained in detail in the musical Applause with the song "She's no longer a Gypsy" with the character elevating from the chorus dancers to a leading role.

We should not project modern identity anxieties on period pieces. We cannot have a character identify themselves as they did in life because some people in the audience or more likely on X.COM will be upset by it."

Again, let's not be naive. Those performers traveling appropriated the name because of the "Gypsy" Slur used for a Traveling Romani people. They didn't come up with it on their own and that's not modern projections that is literally just why they called themselves Gypsies. Nobody is really upset about this, I've never in my life heard someone take umbrage with the show because of the title, but we shouldn't be dishonest about the history. 

[binau]

Posted: 1/30/26 at 2:04am

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Updated On: 1/30/26 at 02:04 AM

[MezzoDiva47]

Posted: 1/31/26 at 9:58pm

Rentaholic2 said: "I'm just genuinely curious if current-day Roma and Sinti people are offended by the use of the word "gypsy" in a context when it's clearly not intended to refer to them. Maybe some of them are (I really don't know), but whenever this has come up in the theater world, it usually feels more like privileged white people being offended on their behalf."

 

and we have a winner

of course current day roma and sinti ppl are not offended by the use of the word

and find it humorous that such a question would even come up

this is 100% privileged white ppl being offended on their behalf

when it isnt even needed or requested

this faux outrage is brought to you by the same privileged white harvard professors who invented the term ‘latinx’ and foisted it upon the world

even though that community never asked for it and to this day detests it based on the 4% approval rating

as is the case with gypsy -

the woke mob has struck again

 

[EricMontreal22]

Posted: 2/3/26 at 5:45pm

I don't really know what to think of the title change, but as it's a foreign language production it doesn't particularly bother me one way or the other.

However, to those who say that this is obviously done to test the title for the Western market because Japanese productions haven't been all that racially sensitive in the past (the black face example) I have to point out that relatively very recently there HAS been a push to be more sensitive to this especially in the performing arts (it's affected ballet performance there too.)

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 2/3/26 at 5:59pm

MezzoDiva47 said: "the woke mob has struck again"

What woke mob? Can you find an instance of anybody asking for Gypsy to change its name that isn't some isolate rando on the internet? That even then I'd doubt you'd find...

[AOLplaybillChatOG]

Posted: 2/4/26 at 6:56am

Call me crazy, but if they need to change the name, might I make a better suggestion? How about “And Her Daughter, Louise” or “Sing Out, Louise!”  or simply just “Louise”

Updated On: 2/4/26 at 06:56 AM