Upcoming Japanese production of GYPSY renamed as ROSE due to sensitivity regarding the original title — Page 2

The thing is that her stage name "Gypsy" comes directly from the intention "Gypsy" is always used in. Travelers, it is a known slur for Romani people. There is no way anybody could argue it another way. That is why her name is "Gypsy". The Robe was called that for the exact same reason. They were "Gypsies" traveling from show to show. It all goes back to the original use of it as a slur that was then co-opted by people as not a slur. 

I don't think anybody is really beating down the door over the word now considering it is so far from removed from its original connotations. 

Merkin2 said: "Yeah same as master bedroom. I hope they change the legacy robe back to the gypsy robe."

Well they're not going to be doing that because its something people are called, versus the show which is a museum piece. 

Gizmo6 said: "People also forget the name has Gypsy has a double meaning, it's the stage name of Gypsy Rose Lee, a Burlesque performer and in the early to mid 20th Century performers were called Gypsies because they travelled city to city it's actually explained in detail in the musical Applause with the song "She's no longer a Gypsy" with the character elevating from the chorus dancers to a leading role.

We should not project modern identity anxieties on period pieces. We cannot have a character identify themselves as they did in life because some people in the audience or more likely on X.COM will be upset by it."

Again, let's not be naive. Those performers traveling appropriated the name because of the "Gypsy" Slur used for a Traveling Romani people. They didn't come up with it on their own and that's not modern projections that is literally just why they called themselves Gypsies. Nobody is really upset about this, I've never in my life heard someone take umbrage with the show because of the title, but we shouldn't be dishonest about the history. 

Rentaholic2 said: "I'm just genuinely curious if current-day Roma and Sinti people are offended by the use of the word "gypsy" in a context when it's clearly not intended to refer to them. Maybe some of them are (I really don't know), but whenever this has come up in the theater world, it usually feels more like privileged white people being offended on their behalf."

 

and we have a winner

of course current day roma and sinti ppl are not offended by the use of the word

and find it humorous that such a question would even come up

this is 100% privileged white ppl being offended on their behalf

when it isnt even needed or requested

this faux outrage is brought to you by the same privileged white harvard professors who invented the term ‘latinx’ and foisted it upon the world

even though that community never asked for it and to this day detests it based on the 4% approval rating

as is the case with gypsy -

the woke mob has struck again

 

MezzoDiva47 said: "the woke mob has struck again"

What woke mob? Can you find an instance of anybody asking for Gypsy to change its name that isn't some isolate rando on the internet? That even then I'd doubt you'd find...

The website is now using the title 'Gypsy' again (https://rose2026.jp/), with a comment about the reversion back to the original title here (in Japanese): https://rose2026.jp/info2602a.html . According to Google Translate, it says:

"This work is a masterpiece that represents Broadway musicals and has been loved around the world for many years.
Up until now, we have been preparing to stage this production under the Japanese title "Rose," but after carefully considering the original work, background, and original context, we have decided to use the original title "GYPSY."
The musical "GYPSY" is a stage production adapted from the memoirs of American burlesque entertainer Gypsy Rose Lee, and its title is based on a proper noun. We will continue to strive to deliver the work in the best possible form, and we ask for your understanding."

Maybe the change was never... official? Hmm. (For the record, I wasn't particularly trying to 'out' this production originally; I just thought it was an interesting tidbit.)

binau said: "
I mean I don’t care if I’m perceived as a cranky old grandpa, I do care about this exactly. I’m tired with people messing with things that aren’t broken. ."

Just because you don't think it's broken doesn't mean other people don't think it's broken.

Many things have changed in history and there has always been a lot of resistance. It never hurts to open your eyes to look around and think, yes, this might be racist. Not for me, but maybe for someone else. So what's wrong with adjustments?

That's not woke, that's what we call human decency.

MezzoDiva47 said: "
once again the japanese are way ahead of us
"

Japan has a horrific suicide rate, doesn't believe in work/life balance, pays people like ****, and has a national mental health crisis because of it.

But... Sure... 

Also... we never changed the name of Gypsy, so how is this props to them? 

This really has gotten so out of hand . IT IS GYPSY end of story ...stop this

 

MezzoDiva47 said: "
we did something even dumber
we changed the name of a robe
so as not to offend a group of ppl
who were never even offended to begin with"

Who is this "We" You're talking about? I know your ass is not in AEA, so go sit your ignorant ass down. 

There are a lot of mentally ill people regularly writing on this board