Vanessa in TLM?

I don't recall it being in the show. But there was so much incomprehensible stuff going on I could have missed it...

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I wish they could have kept her. Or would it have been too hard to get Sherie in and out of the massive Ursula costume/wig/makeup?

Updated On: 1/13/08 at 09:12 PM

I dont know. After seeing the show, I really didnt miss Vanessa. I like how Sebastian sings in 'If Only', how can a little mermaid compete when the Prince has his choice of any princess in the land, and yet she still is chosen not for her voice, but because he loves her - even when Ursula uses the voice right before they kiss to distract him he still chooses Ariel. If you really think about it, and why should anyone since it's a Disney film, the film doesnt really give us any proof that Eric loved Ariel for Ariel. He loved her voice, loved Vanessa with Ariel's voice, and loved Ariel when she regained her voice. Though you could argue that after seeing her turn into a mermaid and seeing her in her mermaid form, that he loved her for her and not just her voice.

Point of all of that, Vanessa is not in it and you really wont miss her.

I dont think the message of the show is to change everything about yourself for a man. Ariel had a fascination with "the world above" before even seeing Eric. She never really belonged under the sea, and I see the show more about finding herself and where she belongs, and above all else - finding her happiness. But people can interpret it many different ways I guess.

You have a point. I just cant picture little girls starving themselves and sitting in front of the toilet over this - or however else a little girl may decide to 'change herself'. I think there are more blatantly obvious negative messages out there than the TLM

Spears sisters? ENOUGH SAID! :P

the film doesnt really give us any proof that Eric loved Ariel for Ariel.

ACTUALLY-in the movie Grimsby says, "Far better than any dreamgirl, is one made of flesh and bone, and right before your very eyes." (er something like that)
Then Eric throws his flute instrument thing into the sea and looks up at Ariel's window.
I may be interpreting this wrong but I think the throwing of the flute shows that he's going to give up searching for the girl with the voice and marry Ariel. Either that or he's just following what Grimsby said cause he's tired of searching.

Although I do agree that the musical did a better job with the relationship between them. One Step Closer is such an amazing scene! Anyone have a video of it *wink wink*

I believe Vanessa was in the early stages of the show.

dinglehopper89, I think you might be onto something there. As big of a fan that I am of the movie, I completely forgot about that brief sequence. I guess Vanessa walking up the shore overshadows it but you are right. And ditto on the musical doing a better job with the relationship, and especially in conveying that scene without the use of Vanessa.

Belle's really the only one. No she doesn't know him as the Prince, but she's known him for a while as Beast while living in his house.

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I was so relieved to discover this thread was NOT about the High School Musical star joining the cast.


jordangirl, Ariel wanted to be a human before she had even seen Eric; she was changing because it was something she had always wished for. The Part Of Your World scene comes before she has even seen Eric, let alone fallen in love with him:

What would I give if I could live out of these waters?
What would I pay to spend a day warm on the sand?
Bet'cha on land they understand
That they don't reprimand their daughters
Bright young women sick of swimmin'
Ready to stand

It was already her wish to live on land. She wouldn't have been at the surface to see Eric in the first place had it not been for previous obsession with humans. It wasn't for the benefit of anyone but herself. That's actually a positive message.

She certainly didn't "give up everything for a man". She ran away out of defiance, not out of love for Eric. She didn't go to Ursula until after her father destroyed the grotto. Had it been solely about Eric, she would have gone to Ursula as soon as she fell in love with him instead. She didn't. She only left because of what her father did. Had you argued that it sends a bad message to children about running away from home, I could have agreed, but you must be watching the movie with blinders to suggest her actions were solely out of interest in Eric.

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Updated On: 1/15/08 at 05:25 AM

Yes, she was interested in all things human before, but her desire to live permanently came from seeing Eric. That's why Ursula was able to get her to sign and go through with it. That was the hook.

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