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#1

Wasn't Young Frankenstein supposed to offend the gays?

Just saw Young Frankenstein for the first time last night. I don't really have much to say, but I have one question: weren't there supposed to be a lot jokes and slurs and stuff to offend Teh Gayz? I remember hearing about that when it was in previews, like in this Riedel column: http://www.nypost.com/seven/10102007/entertainment/theater/mel_odramatic.htm?page=1 I didn't see anything offensive or even related. I think the only gay-related reference in the show is when (Does this count as a spoiler? Watch out...) Inspector Kemp said something about how when the monster is captured, their town will have what it's always needed, and Jim Borstelmann says, "A gay bar?" and Inspector Kemp says, "No. Peace of mind" or something. I don't think it's possible that I just missed all the others: it seemed like every time there was an intended joke in YF, everyone on stage would kind of pause, turn and look at the audience for a while to make sure that at least a few people were laughing, and then awkwardly resume the show.

So, were there gay jokes that got cut since Seattle or the NY previews? Or were the jokes still there, and I just missed them because they were shouted so loudly that they flew right over my seat in the front? Or was this just another random, completely false Riedel rumor? Can anyone shed some light on this? I had been expecting objectionable and offensive material, and was (like almost everyone else who has seen YF) disappointed.
"I just want a story and a few good songs that will take me away. I just want to be entertained. I mean, isn't that the point?"
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Alot of material had to be cut to make the show fit into that 2 and half hour slot.Ive seen the show and liked it very much. Except the screaming. The adaptation from movie to show was great in my eyes. You really need to watch the movie and know it WELL to realize how good it is.You sound like a serious theater goer. Im curious what where your exspectations. In your eyes what could have been done different. I d love to hear what you have to say thanks.i agree about the screaming.
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If memory serves there was an article somewhere when the Producers came out. It said that it was going to offend the gay community. The offending the gay community resulted in the song Keep it Gay and thus no one was offended. People did laugh.

I think that when they were talking about that song in the producers it was before the show hit broadway and I think the goal was to caus a bit of a stir to get people upset over what turned out to be a big nothing.
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#4

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Yes, I saw a gay couple at a production who laughed harder then ANYONE at the song keep it gay. Also, they went into hysterical obnoxious laughing at the line "Our leading man was so gay, he nearly flew away"

He's a faker, and you've been taken in by his con. And in doing so, you are enabling him. He is doing more damage to aspergers than papa's words ever could. -Chane/Liverpool on me having asperger syndrome.
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Actually Localone, the movie only clocks in at 1 hour 46 minutes so a lot was added. One of the criticisms was the fact that Mel wouldn't cut any of his jokes no matter how poorly they fared in Seattle or how they affected the flow of the plot.

Not to get too political or serious, but my experience is that because gay men and women have to deal with such social prejudice in this country, there is generally a very solid ability to laugh at oneself as well as the stigma inflicted by society.

I remember thinking at the time that Riedel's column felt like there was a deadline due and he needed some drama to write about that week.
If the audience could do better, they'd be up here on stage and I'd be out there watching them. - Ethel Merman
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I haven't seen the show yet, but I can't tell you how flattered I am at being a member of "the gays," you so kindly refer to in the Subject line of this thread. Are you one of "the straights"?

-Vincent
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I saw the show on day 2 in Seattle, and the only outwardly gay joke I remember being about gay people was the "gay bar" joke.

It was no worse than many of the jokes on "Will & Grace", and is sort of in the same vein as that.

My sister and I still make the "gay bar" joke when we are driving around aimlessly in Western Washington wondering where to go.

The only part of the show I thought was bad was the obnoxiously long first act. That, and Megan Mullaly was not in the show as much as I thought she would be, with being billed second on the poster.

p.s., I actually did not watch the movie (on purpose) before seeing the musical, so I could judge it on it's own. Seeing the original movie first would be like reading a book before it is made into a movie, and thus everything usually would be jaded.
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bitter billy all over the message boards. mabey if we put bob sagat as the doc and the guy from the sopranos as the monster you might like the show better . Thanks for posting bitter bill.that price sheet is one of the only factual posts ive seen you post..( :
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localonedude, if you havent figured out im just having fun with you at this point.Then maybe you have been breathing too many fumes waiting for your ride home at night.

Laurie dhue is hot...ah those lips
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dear bitter bill ive been on broadway for over 20 years. Nothing you say could make me fume because none off it is true anyway. As for your future as a critic,i wouldnt quit your day job. Im looking at the house numbers for the hilton and there pretty good tonight.. OOO look do i see a standing ovation ooo yes i do there standing billy there standing and clapping.what is wrong with these people.even the expensive seats are standing
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To localonedude:
When I said I was disappointed, I was simply referring to the absence of the gay jokes that I had been expecting because of that article. Overall, I was probably pleasantly surprised by the show after what I heard from other people who had seen it. It certainly wasn't good, but some of the songs were fun, and some of the cast (Sutton, Andrea, Shuller, parts of Megan Mullaly) were great.
And about the original movie: I've seen it twice, and I don't really care for it. But I've never seen any of the old monster movies that it is supposed to be parodying. I agree with you that you probably have to really know and appreciate the movie in order to appreciate the show, but I don't think that's a very good strategy for a musical. I think it would be ideal if big shows like this were somewhat self-sustaining, so that everyone could thoroughly enjoy them regardless of the audience's background. The musical is basically a parody of the original movie, which was a parody of all the old monster movies; given that I didn't enjoy the source material at any stage, I guess I wouldn't expect to love the musical, which is why my post was only about my question regarding the gay jokes.

To Ordinary Jukebox and Morosco:
I thought it was clear from my post, but I am one of The Gays, not one of The Straights. Interesting that you're unfamiliar with these, though, especially as one of The Gays. They're terms of self-endearment that friends, people I don't know, and I use online or in conversation all the time. Examples: "No, I don't want to go clubbing with The Gays again tonight. I need a break so I can get laid for once!" -straight girl. "We went to dinner with some of The Straights, and they got drunk and made such a scene!" -me.

To everyone who brought up the fact that The Producers wasn't offensive, as if this somehow negated my question:
I enjoyed The Producers, I thought the jokes and songs were funny, and I was not offended. The difference is that Young Frankenstein simply does not include any content that is at all related to The Gays or The Gay, except for the one joke that I already explained.
(Ordinary Jukebox, "The Gay" refers to the condition that affects all of The Gays, thereby distinguishing them from The Straights. It is also meant to be inoffensive. Example: "Sweetie, are you sure he's really into you like that? He seems like he might have The Gay." -me Interestingly, I've never heard anyone mention "The Straight." I'm not sure if that exists...)
I wasn't expecting to be offended, but because of the Riedel piece, I was simply expecting some gay jokes. I'm not upset that they were not included--I could care less either way--but because of the controversial tone of that article, I was just curious about whether jokes has been removed or whether they had simply never existed.

To BrianS:
You're probably right that the whole thing was typical pure Riedel fiction. In retrospect, I feel a little foolish that I believed it in the first place.
"I just want a story and a few good songs that will take me away. I just want to be entertained. I mean, isn't that the point?"
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To Ordinary Jukebox and Morosco:
I thought it was clear from my post, but I am one of The Gays, not one of The Straights. Interesting that you're unfamiliar with these, though, especially as one of The Gays. They're terms of self-endearment that friends, people I don't know, and I use online or in conversation all the time. Examples: "No, I don't want to go clubbing with The Gays again tonight. I need a break so I can get laid for once!" -straight girl. "We went to dinner with some of The Straights, and they got drunk and made such a scene!" -me.


I wasn't referring to your comment I was referring to Ordinary Jukebox's concerns about using the term "the gays". I'm just trying to keep up with what's politically correct (which is getting harder and harder these days). If the phrase "the gays" is offensive, is it better to use the term "the gay community"? I ask because I frankly I don't see any difference. I don't think anyone should take offense as being referred to as "the gays".
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raspberry if you didnt care for the movie why in the world would you go to the show??????Thats what i dont get all these post from people who don't like the movie and don't like mel brooks' humor they go and see the show and are disappointed. thats like me knowing i dont like a hamburger then ordering one and then being dissappointed that i didnt enjoy it. Hey but if you got the money to burn!!
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You don't need to be upset that I was disappointed; it's a personal matter that I kept to myself until you specifically asked about it. I would never go see a show based on a movie I did not enjoy and then come complain about it on the board. I prefaced my original post by saying "I don't really have much to say" because I did not want to review the show--or complain about it or praise it. I simply wanted to ask about the content from the article I posted.

You asked me what I was expecting and what I thought, localonedude. If you hadn't, I would have kept anything negative to myself. Overall, this show had a lot of positive aspects, but it also had many weak ones. Most importantly, it never seemed to truly come together. I rarely felt a moment where the show actually seemed to "click," which, for me, is what separates a great night at the theater from a lesser one.

But in response to your question about "why in the world" I would go to the show (with six question marks): I went because I am a fan of some of Brooks' movies and his humor in general. I saw the Producers four times when it was on Broadway and thoroughly enjoyed it, and YF is from largely the same creative team. I also individually love many people involved with Young Frankenstein, particularly Sutton Foster, Andrea Martin, Megan Mullally, Roger Bart, William Ivey Long, and Thomas Meehan. That is why in the world I went to this show. It was a collaboration of many artists whose work I enjoy, and I wanted to both support them and to see what they had done. To me, that is worth burning the $25 (with at least six exclamation points).
"I just want a story and a few good songs that will take me away. I just want to be entertained. I mean, isn't that the point?"
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fess up you didnt pay 25 $$$$$$,you payed full price.. it still doesnt make sense to me .I dont like the movie but ill go see the show and then post negative things .Just an observation sorry it got under your skin. For someone who doesnt have much to say thats a pretty long post...........

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