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#1

Wild Party, Composer Question

Which version of The Wild Party do people prefer - Michael John LaChiusa or Andrew Lippa? Have got the LaChiusa version on CD, but a few people have said that the other one is better. Should I be investing in another CD?

#4

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Lippa's version for me by a mile. I've really tried with LaChiusa - but I'm afraid I find that listening to every one of his scores is like having a tooth pulled.
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#5

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Disagree 1000% with you. Lippa's is poppy, sure, (like Schwartz wrote it), but LaChiusa's is true to period and genuinely haunting. The staging is, for me, arguably the greatest of any musical. Certainly the lighting!

I know, I know, you can't hear that on the CD, but how can anyone compete with 2- yes, 2- stand out tracks from the divine Miss Kitt? Plus Toni Colette in a scrumptious role!
#7

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I don't know Lippa's version, so can't comment on the which is better than discussion..but I can agree with devonian that the actual production and casting of the LaChiusa version was superb.

The sight of Miss Kitt sashaying onto the stage was worth it in itself!
#9

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LaChiusa. Lippa's version is ok, if a bit generic, but it didn't really capture the era or the mounting tension brilliantly expressed in LaChiusa's complex score. He keeps you on edge from the opening chord and rarely offers much breathing room from start to finish. It's an uneasy and unsettling score that underscores the danger of a party spinning perilously out of control. Lippa provides a more conventional musical comedy score that has some solid stand-alone numbers, but could be dropped into a variety of stories and eras. LaChiusa's score sounds more custom-fitted to the material.

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Updated On: 5/5/09 at 05:38 PM

#11

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I don't think Lippa's score is in any way "poppy". It's full of great dramatic and evocative songs that are both perfect for the piece and beautiful to listen to. LaChiusa's score may well be complex and true to the period, etc. But I just can't stand listening to it! lol I generally do not like "poppy" scores and much prefer serious, complex scores in my musicals (love Sondheim, Guettel, Finn, JRB, etc.) But I'm afraid everything I've ever heard of LaChiusa's leaves me totally cold - and really painful to listen to.
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#12

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Bob- go and listen to Marie Christine until you learn your lesson. It is beyond incredible (even if the production was poorly staged). Stern finger being wagged! re: Wild Party, Composer Question
#13

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Oh, God - no! Marie Christine makes me want to scream. It's absolute torture to my ears, I'm afraid.
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#14

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I saw Marie Christine with my father and we LOVED it. Like most of LaChiusa's work, it really needs to be seen to be fully appreciated (I hated Hello Again until I performed it). Audra McDonald displayed cyclonic force in that show. I couldn't believe she lost the Tony to Heather Headley. That final chorus of Marie Christine still gives me goosebumps ever time I hear it. One of the most memorable scenes I ever witnessed on stage.
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#15

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Wow, to me it's like people saying Sondheim doesn't write memorable songs. MC has so much going for it. And Audra is unbelievable. I find the show incredibly moving, dramatic and melodic. Same goes for Wild Party (though the end is, admittedly, in free fall)
#16

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I understand what you mean. I am always baffled when some of my friends tell me they hate Sondheim coz he doesn't write melodies when I find his music stunningly melodic. But I really have tried to listen to LaChiusa and I just can't. I honestly can't hear anything approaching a memorable melody in any song of his I've heard (and I've listened to the entire score of Hello Again, Marie Christine, Wild Party plus some individual songs from his other works) and I would honestly prefer a trip to the dentist. The only score I've ever suffered through that I found more painful than a LaChiusa score is Caroline Or Change. The night I sat through that on Broadway I really did think I had died and gone to hell. lol

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Updated On: 5/6/09 at 08:42 PM

#17

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The only score I've ever suffered through that I found more painful than a LaChiusa score is Caroline Or Change.

Oh, wow. I loved Caroline, Or Change at first sight. I Hate the Bus was my favorite song of the season. LaChiusa definitely demands a bit of work from the audience and his songs often are not about creating memorable melodies but are more abstract expressions of emotions and social dynamics. I do think he has some memorable tunes in there, though. Specifically pertaining to with The Wild Party: Welcome to My Party is rather Sondheim-esque Uptown is a toe-tapping tribute to Fats Waller. People Like Us is a sultry smoky torch song conjuring images of early jazz nightclub cabaret. What I like about LaChiusa is that he often takes a simple melody, then subtly inserts lines taking the notes into unexpected directions and then landing them precisely where we originally thought they would previously land, marrying standard convention with the almost improvisational style of jazz. With Marie Christine he blends musical theatre with a dash of jazz (adding his own shades to the backdrops of New Orleans and Chicago) and then hitting us with modern opera in order to elevate the scale appropriately to the Greek tragedy at the root of the story. It's genius.

I do think LaChiusa has to be approached with the right frame of mind. It's like trying to view a Renoir or Monet the way you would a Boticelli or Fragonard. And it's very difficult to take his songs out of context. He writes the entire score as a whole rather than individual numbers related by the book. Sondheim and Bernstein did this as well, but not always to the extent LaChiusa does.

How do you feel about William Finn? Most of the people I know who don't like LaChiusa or Caroline or Change also don't like Finn for similar reasons. They feel shows like Falsettos and A New Brain are too abstract for musical theatre.

Now if you want to talk intolerable, try listening to My Life With Albertine. That is one score I felt was completely off the rails. LaChiusa is Richard Rodgers by comparison.
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#18

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"How do you feel about William Finn? Most of the people I know who don't like LaChiusa or Caroline or Change also don't like Finn for similar reasons."

William Finn is my all time favourite songwriter (and Falsettos is one of my three absolute all-time fav musicals). His melodies are out of this world.

I would describe my musical tastes as more "serious" than "poppy". I find lightweight pop scores (like Hairspray) or whimsically bland scores (like Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, Mary Poppins or Drowsy Chaperone) pretty boring to listen to. I really do tend to prefer music where the melodies go off into unexpected places - whether they be "exciting" rock scores like Spring Awakening, hauntingly lavish scores like Light In The Piazza or seriously sophisticated like anything by Sondheim, etc. And to me Finn is the closest thing to pure genius writing for musical theatre - both lyrically and musically. He is "clever", innovative and sophisticated but also writes melodies that genuinely soar and excite the senses.

I have honestly approached LaChiusa with an open mind - and have tried going back to listen to his stuff a number of times to see if I can change my mind. But no matter how hard I try, to my ears LaChiusa is clever but mindnumbingly boring to listen to. I admire him and his work - but can't find any kind of pleasure in listening to his music.

As for Caroline Or Change - I appreciate that many people loved it. I just found Kushner's book indulgent and pretentious and Tesori's score just sounded horrible to my ears. I remember sitting there every time another song started thinking "God, no, please - not another song!" I don't know how I managed to stop myself from leaving at the interval. I've tried listening to other Tesori scores too - and find her music pretty horrible in general. LOL. I have booked to see Shrek next week and am already wondering if I have done the right thing!

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Updated On: 5/6/09 at 03:55 AM

#19

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This is a really interesting thread!

Bob, I'm totally with you on Caroline or Change. It felt like every time a song was about to emerge, the composer ran in the opposite direction!

Matt, I totally agree.

Albertine- made me feel I'd missed the point. Tried again. Decided the point wasn't worth finding.

And Bill Finn? Legendary. The true heir to Sondheim. Want to laugh, cry, feel true emotional exhilaration? He's your man.
#20

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The Lippa Version definately.
The LaChiusa's version ahs an interesting concept, but I think it pulls away too much from the love triangle, focusing too much on the other characters that don't really have much necesity to the storyline. The Wild Party by Lippa is by far one of my favourite recoridngs. Julia Murney is just superb!
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#21

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Hmm, what I like about the Broadway version is that it incorporates all those colourful characters.
#22

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I would categorize composers in different ways. I'm a composer myself, and what I'd aspire to be would be towards the Bill Finn, Stephen Sondheim end of things. That's my first category; complex, dramatic, clever. What I am more aiming towards at present is more like Flaherty, JRB; music which has dramatic intent but utimately is built to fit the show. My third type is poppy; Schwartz, Lloyd Webber...
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#23

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Pretty much what Luke-H*** said. LaChiusa may achieve greater literary and academic heights, but the Lippa score is just a far more enjoyable experience for me.
#24

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Just seen that the Michael John LaChiusa version of the show is being performed in London in two weeks time, so why don't you go and see it for yourself! Perhaps it's one of those shows that comes alive in the flesh. I still can't get through the CD of Spring Awakening, but love the show and the score when I've seen it onstage.

Wild Party is on from Wednesday 27 May - Saturday 6 June at the Bridewell Theatre. For more information visit www.sedos.co.uk

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