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#1

Will "Frogs" extend?

Has anyone heard if "The Frogs" will extend? I realize Daniel Davis has to leave to begin preparing for "La Cage". I'm planning a mid-October venture to NY, and would love to see the show one more time before it closes. Thanks!
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#2

re: Will 'Frogs' extend?

I may be wrong - but I believe that shows in that particular theatre are part of a subscription of a season - so they must depart at their scheduled time to make room for the next show of the planned and advertised season. (or am I just mixing them up with Roundabout?)
"I don't really get the ending,all i can go with is when after several months,Judith saw Pat sang,and later she kissed him on the toilet,after that the story back to where Pat went down from the stage after he'd sung,and he went to the italian lady.I just don't get it,what Judith exatcly meant when he kissed Pat that she had seen,and did Pat end up together with The Italian Lady?Please help me,thank u very much!" Quote from someone on IMDB in reference to a movie he/she didn't understand. Such grammar!
#3

re: Will 'Frogs' extend?

The next show for the Beaumont isn't even on the schedule yet ("Light In The Piazza" isn't until Spring), so The Frogs wouldn't HAVE to depart immediately on the 10th (they may have worked the possibility of an extension into the season schedule). However ticket sales have been rather sluggish, so I doubt there'd be much reason for an extension, at least from a business perspective. There's also re-casting headaches to worry about (I believe several cast members have commitments after 10/10) which aren't worth dealing with if the show isn't a big hit (which it's not).

I suppose there's always the possibility of a modest extension, but it's probably rather doubtful.
"What a story........ everything but the bloodhounds snappin' at her rear end." -- Birdie [http://margochanning.broadwayworld.com/] "The Devil Be Hittin' Me" -- Whitney
#4

re: Will 'Frogs' extend?

I KNEW Margo would have the answer!
"I don't really get the ending,all i can go with is when after several months,Judith saw Pat sang,and later she kissed him on the toilet,after that the story back to where Pat went down from the stage after he'd sung,and he went to the italian lady.I just don't get it,what Judith exatcly meant when he kissed Pat that she had seen,and did Pat end up together with The Italian Lady?Please help me,thank u very much!" Quote from someone on IMDB in reference to a movie he/she didn't understand. Such grammar!
#5

re: Will 'Frogs' extend?

Actually the Frogs b.o. had been excellent, running in the 90 to 97% range up until a week or two before the RNC and then dipped. Now that the RNC is gone and September (which is a slow month) is here, it will be interesting to see what happens.

But in any case, though the Viv does not have another show coming in right behind it, the fact that Davis is leaving for La Cage makes it unlikely as does the fact that Lane will be starting pre-production for The Producers movie in January and I presume will want a little time off to rest since he's pretty much been working non-stop for a year.

I'd count on the 10/10 closing. And, as Margo says, if there is an extension (which there has been SOME discussion of) it would be a very short one which I presume would include a standby doing the Davis role. Still doubtful in my mind.
"Life is a lesson in humility"

Updated On: 9/8/04 at 01:43 PM

#6

re: Will 'Frogs' extend?

Thanks, SamIAm. I'll keep my fingers crossed, but I do think Nathan should take a rest before filming "The Producers". He is such a hard worker and needs a break, not to mention dealing with the injuries he sustained last week.

Take care of yourself, Nathan!
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#7

re: Will 'Frogs' extend?

If you are looking to get tickets to the Frogs, I'd try to go within the next couple of weeks while the September doldrums are still running the b.o. According to the Broadway producers they will probably keep discounts on for several weeks to try to draw some more numbers because of the devastation of the RNC. So you should be able to get seats. A friend of mine got loge in a decent section (though the subscriber section is sold out) and was able to see just fine and got a great price on them.

Once we get to late September/early Oct and toward the end of the run, there is likely to be more of an upturn again.
"Life is a lesson in humility"
#8

re: Will 'Frogs' extend?

SamIAm, thanks again. I'm in Connecticut, so I'll try to get down within the next several weekends. It's such a great show (IMHO), with a fantastic message - I'm going to miss it. For me, Nathan really succeeded with the libretto and performance. Can't wait for the cast recording!
Neither a borrower nor a lender be...unless that's mine in the first place.
#9

re: Will 'Frogs' extend?

I saw frogs on tuesday. I got tickets at tkts for about 50bucks. We sat dead center row K (which is about 7 or 8 rows back in the theatre). It was filled to about 75 or 80 percent but far from full! The show was great!

My friend and I waited at the stage door and met all of the cast except nathan. The cast was great and talked with us and signed our playbills. Roger bart is just great! Nathan on the other hand ran out of another door into his car and jetted away. There were only 3 of us at the stage door so he could have easily walked out signed our stuff and walked away...no mass crowds. That I was definitely dissapointed in!
"Judy Garland, Jimmy Dean, You tragedy Queen" ~ Taboo

"Watching a frat boy realize just what he put his d!ck in...ex's getting std's...schadenfruede" ~ Ave Q

"when dangers near, exploit their fear" ~ Reefer Madness the Musical
#10

re: Will 'Frogs' extend?

umgeoboy: Perhaps you don't know that Lane was injured last week and hasn't even been back in the show a week yet.

He came back missing only 1.5 shows and with much amazement from the cast since his injuries were significant.

If he didn't stop to say hello don't be offended. a) he is still recuperating and b) if you didn't already know this piece of info...Lane is famously uncomfortable with the public.

He may also have had someplace to go...

Hope you enjoyed the show.
"Life is a lesson in humility"
#11

re: Will 'Frogs' extend?

samiam thanks for the info but i asked the ushers (since I saw them leaving) and they said nathan hasnt used the stage door in a while but prefers to run out the side door and avoid fans/signing autographs...which rather dissapointed me...I have seen him many times and the more well known he gets the less freindly he seems to be!
"Judy Garland, Jimmy Dean, You tragedy Queen" ~ Taboo

"Watching a frat boy realize just what he put his d!ck in...ex's getting std's...schadenfruede" ~ Ave Q

"when dangers near, exploit their fear" ~ Reefer Madness the Musical
#12

re: Will 'Frogs' extend?

He's always come across a rather morose and deeply unhappy man whenever I've seen him out in public, so it doesn't surprise me that he avoids meeting people at the stage door. And he can be downright mean if he's been drinking (I've seen it first hand more times than I wish to recall -- mind you, he's never been unkind to me, but I've heard him say the cruelest things to fans who've come up and tried to compliment him). Forget about the autograph -- pray that the man gets some good therapy.
"What a story........ everything but the bloodhounds snappin' at her rear end." -- Birdie [http://margochanning.broadwayworld.com/] "The Devil Be Hittin' Me" -- Whitney

Updated On: 9/9/04 at 02:46 PM

#13

re: Will 'Frogs' extend?

thanks margo
it really wasnt the autograph that bothered me as much as the fact he ran out of the other door (instead of the stage door). I would not have recognized him had someone not pointed him out to me. He really looked like a bag woman!

It's a shame for such a talented and popular actor!
"Judy Garland, Jimmy Dean, You tragedy Queen" ~ Taboo

"Watching a frat boy realize just what he put his d!ck in...ex's getting std's...schadenfruede" ~ Ave Q

"when dangers near, exploit their fear" ~ Reefer Madness the Musical

Updated On: 9/9/04 at 03:48 PM

#14

re: Will 'Frogs' extend?

It's hard to see someone you admire having a tough time. I adore Nathan, and realize he has his demons, like we all do. Sometimes you just have to give people the space they need, and be grateful for whatever positive experience you can glean. When my mom was diagnosed with terminal cancer, and when I had a free moment and the opportunity, I would go see "The Producers" just to laugh a little. For that, I am ever grateful, as trite as it sounds. Okay, he's not always the most approachable man in the world. You've got to respect an individual's privacy nonetheless.




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#15

re: Will 'Frogs' extend?

Exactly, Heart. Some actors are just very uncomfortable with fans. Once the curtain comes down, Nathan doesn't owe anybody ANYTHING.

I just think Nathan is like everyone else here....just trying to do the best they can, one day at a time.
"Christ, Bette Davis?!?!"
#16

re: Will 'Frogs' extend?

umgeoboy: I REPEAT...the man is recovering from an injury. If you think that autographs are more important, then fine.

Can't argue with you I guess, but give the guy a break. He came back to perform because he's a trouper.

And it is NOT new news that Lane has his demons and has fought them for a long time. He is upfront about being shy and about pushing people away when he is uncomfortable. You may not have any sympathy for that but that's the way it is. He gave the performance you paid for...if he chooses not to meet his fans that is his perogative. He's no longer on the clock.
"Life is a lesson in humility"
#17

re: Will 'Frogs' extend?

Right on, Heart and Master!!
#18

After much thought...

I'd like to post something to articulate how I feel about what is being discussed here (versus what the original thread was about - that topic has long since fallen by the wayside)

I don't want to offend anyone and I'm not posting this to get into an argument. Think of this as a kind of offshoot of some of the discussions about the tone of posts on these boards, as well as a bit of a rant about appropriateness and compassion.

First, I'd like to say that no matter what actor this disccusion might have been about, it would have been inappropriate. The fact that I have some knowledge of this person doesn't mean it is any less or more appropriate.

The discussion seems to have started with a comment about Lane not signing. Perhaps the person didn't realize that he rarely does sign at the stage door though he has been known to do so on occasion. There are actually people who will (in spite of the claims of Lane's evil core) say that he's been sweet and accommodating. This sometimes has to do with the approach made by the person asking and sometimes is just a factor of his discomfort with the public

He has said that he is shy and has been very public about his alcoholic addiction, subsequent recovery efforts, his family and personal demons. All of that aside (and presuming most of you could care less about his personal life and just care about whether he is available to you as an actor), if he isn't working hard enough for you on stage then that's ashame. He is one of the most dedicated and talented men on the stage today and has given freely of his time for charities and to promote theater and NYC.

This seems in stark contrast to the stories that always swirl around about him (yes, he can be difficult but talk to people who work with him, and his family and friends and you will hear a totally different story). So what is the truth? The truth is that he is a complex person, just as we are all complex people, and no one situation can be taken as the whole.

For those who have encountered him more than once in a certain situation, there are also conflicting stories. And, if you listen to the naysayers, you will believe he is evil and should be shot. Interesting that those with whom he is the closest and works the most intimately are the first to find him giving and sensitive.

But, the truth is that none of us should be judging him (or anyone) from this distance. There is no reason for us to discuss his personal life and dissect it as if he were a bug (not a human being with feelings) and talking about the horror stories we've heard (some of which can be proven, many of which are the stuff of legends and have about as much truth to them as the National Enquirer). One such story comes to mind where a person told of a situation in a theater where he cursed at an older lady who was just trying to compliment him on his performance in the Producers. After everyone had torn him apart for several days someone came forward and said that, in fact, the woman had asked him for an autograph and he demured...whereupon she called him an 'a**hole' and added some other impolite comments. And THAT is why he cursed at the little old lady...so there's always more than one side to a story.

But I'm not trying to discount or challenge anything that has been said and call it untrue. I'm wise enough to know that will get me nowhere. For every story I throw out, others will throw out three. I do want to say that, whether he is a person in the public eye or not, there is something less than compassionate and something very tacky about us sitting here blithely picking apart his personality, when he can't defend himself and when his family and friends and coworkers are not here to defend him. How would we feel if someone did that to us?

And all over the fact that he didn't stop to sign an autograph. BTW, for those who recommended therapy and suggested that perhaps he doesn't KNOW he has problems, I'd have to say you are being quite naive. He has publicly talked about much of this and what he hasn't publicly talked about has still become common knowledge. Lane, of all people, knows he has problems and he's doing his best to work on them.

If he had cancer, I presume you would not consider him an evil person. Emotional issues and alcoholism are just as much a disease as cancer. And the day we can all say we've withstood and tried to overcome what he has in his life...is the day we should be allowed to talk about this. Not until. The idea that he would be as out of control as he has been painted in some circles and still able to function and write and act at the level he does is ludicrous. At some point, after that many years of physical and emotional abuse to one's body, you can't maintain the grueling schedule required of an actor of his caliber. You've seen it happen to other actors and people who have not worked through their problems and it is sad. If indeed he is still managing that kind of abusive schedule, then he must be super human.

There's an old Native American saying that says you have to walk a mile in a man's moccasins before you can understand him.

While we try that one on for size...I'd like to close by saying I'm saddened and disappointed by the fact that we, on this board, can't take the high ground and that we have to resort to the sort of gossip and nastiness that seems to surround us and face us at every turn in this world today.

Whether you like Lane (or ANY actor) or not you have no right to judge his life or his person from this distance. I'd like to think we could limit our discussion to the theater and stage performance. Perhaps I'm being naive. I guess the juicy stuff is better. And what does that say about us?
"Life is a lesson in humility"
#19

After much thought...

since when can an actor decide to only receive the adoration, money and worship that comes with the job? Part of the job as far as i'm concerned, is signing autographs-maybe not a restaurant, but certainly leaving the theater. If he doesn't like crowds, then security can continually usher couples in to the back of the theater for a total of 10 minutes/night. It's better than a 'no-autograph' reputation.
'The Devil be hitting me!'--Whitney Houston
#20

After much thought...

To put it another way, Midtown:

Since when does a fan feel he's "owed" an autograph when he has simply paid to see an actor perform?

Once that curtain comes down, and the actor leaves the stage, the show is over.

And the actor really owes you nothing more - whether you like it or not.

"Christ, Bette Davis?!?!"
#21

After much thought...

That's not realistic. They expect special treatment at restaurants, bars, stores, etc. It's a two way street. Broadway stars are more humble, meaning only that they ask for smaller favors/things/stuff(i've seen it happen a LOT.)
'The Devil be hitting me!'--Whitney Houston
#22

After much thought...

I loved what you had to say SamIAm. I agree with everyone you, and everyone else that said that no actor "owes" us anything more than the best performance they can give. After all, I know of many people in varied occupations who do only what they are being paid to do, and no more than that. THry do not do extra work, they leave as soon as their hours are over, and then they go to their homes to relax or enjoy time with their friends or family. Surely actors have the same right to do as they please once the job they are being paid to do has ended for the day, and no one can criticize them for wanting that.
#23

After much thought...

True. I don't know Nathan, and don't know if he expects any favors/perks from his fame. I'm referring specifically to those that want it both ways. I've met enough of them at restaurants and CVS in Hell's Kitchen.
'The Devil be hitting me!'--Whitney Houston
#24

After much thought...

Wow I didnt realise my post would get such a response from everyone.

Sorry, if I was taken out of context. This has very little to do with whether or not I got an autogragh. Really all I was writing about, was how dissapointed I was in my encounter in general. Nathan is one of my favorite actors on broadway and always will be. I have seen him in 4 different shows and will see him in whatever he is in next. But his manor towards fans, and stage door presence (or lack of), has COMPLETELY changed from the beginning till now and that was very shocking for me!


(and yes I am sorry we are COMPLETELY off topic)

"Judy Garland, Jimmy Dean, You tragedy Queen" ~ Taboo

"Watching a frat boy realize just what he put his d!ck in...ex's getting std's...schadenfruede" ~ Ave Q

"when dangers near, exploit their fear" ~ Reefer Madness the Musical

Updated On: 9/9/04 at 07:35 PM

#25

After much thought...

umgeoboy: I wasn't saying that Lane usually DOES sign...in fact I made a point of saying he often doesn't. He didn't in the Producers either.

This isn't a new thing for him. He's never been comfortable with the stage door thing. Some people understand that and some don't. I don't consider the stage door and extension of my ticket but I know there are people who do. As for his changing his behavior as the years go by this is quite common. People start out understandbly touched by fans liking their work and wanting to connect to fans and then they get tired of the crazies and the unreasonable demands and, even if YOU are being reasonable, their thinking is colored by the other lunatics they've met. As for Lane, I'm surprised to hear you say you think he's changed. He has NEVER been comfortable with people when he's off stage. He has been known to sign at stage doors and on street corners when he is in the mood, but for the most part he is a loner and keeps to himself.

And may I say that referring to him as looking like a bag lady was really uncalled for. Did you think he'd be wearing a tux when exiting? Sorry to bristle, but if people scrutinized and discussed every little thing WE did and how we looked on the street, we'd be pretty ticked off.
"Life is a lesson in humility"

Updated On: 9/9/04 at 08:15 PM

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