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changes between the original and revised merrily?
#25 changes between the original and revised merrily?
Posted: 9/20/12 at 11:31pmAfterEight, for someone who gets terribly defensive that people make assumptions about what shows you've seen, and your opinions, please don't then make the same assumptions about me. :)
After Eight
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/5/09
#26 changes between the original and revised merrily?
Posted: 9/20/12 at 11:32pm
Interesting. You told us that you had never heard the score to Fiorello before seeing a recent truncated revival. And now you're telling us you've heard "a lot of" the shows in Not Since Carrie. Have you heard at least 2/3 of them, or haven't you? And if you have, you're telling us that this score is better than all of them?
#27 changes between the original and revised merrily?
Posted: 9/20/12 at 11:41pmYep! My local library used to have a fantastic collection of cast album LPs, with a lot of rarities for some reason. They had Tenderloin. They did not have Fiorello. Nice to see you taking tabs though, and your apology is graciously accepted!
After Eight
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/5/09
#28 changes between the original and revised merrily?
Posted: 9/20/12 at 11:49pmUh, I'm not going to count the titles in the book, but then, tell us, do, about the scores to The Conquering Hero, Beg, Borrow, or Steal, Sophie, 13 Daughters, The Student Gypsy, Hot Spot, Georgy, The Utter Glory of Morrissey Hall, etc.
#29 changes between the original and revised merrily?
Posted: 9/21/12 at 12:21amFrom that list I know as much as I can of the score of Conquering Hero, I know Hot Spot, and Georgie and... not the others really at all. :) When I get back to where my copy of the book is, however, I can make you a full checklist!
After Eight
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/5/09
#30 changes between the original and revised merrily?
Posted: 9/21/12 at 12:31am
Don't bother. Since you already said you know 2/3 of them, I'll take you at your word, especially since you've already so graciously accepted my apology.
Incidentally, neither Hot Spot nor Georgy (with a y) was recorded. You were not alive to see them, so the only way you know them is..... how?
But ultimately, you've stated that this score is better than every one of the 2/3 you know.
And to that I reiterate: Bull.
#31 changes between the original and revised merrily?
Posted: 9/21/12 at 9:21am
Don't be an idiot, After Eight, if you don't know that there are boots out there of Hot Spot, Georgy, and many other flops, then you have no business playing with the grown-ups and need to return to the sandbox immediately.
The full scores to many of these shows are also available to those many musicians among us who can hear the music as we read it. So it's in absolutely no way implausible that Eric is familiar with the number of scores he claims.
After Eight
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/5/09
#32 changes between the original and revised merrily?
Posted: 9/21/12 at 9:53am
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Uh, frankly, the kids in the sandbox show more intelligence, maturity, and common sense than many of the so-called "grown-ups" around here. And they have better taste, too.
And why not let Eric himself answer how he knows these scores, if he so chooses.
#33 changes between the original and revised merrily?
Posted: 9/21/12 at 9:56amOh, please, you're being so ridiculously childish, only a time-out would help. You're responding with the arguments of a 3-year-old.
#34 changes between the original and revised merrily?
Posted: 9/21/12 at 10:03am
I really want him to begin another post with "Uh, "
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#35 changes between the original and revised merrily?
Posted: 9/21/12 at 10:12am
There is an Ed Sullivan clip of a longish dance number from "13 Daughters."
It's not on YouTube, but there are some clips there of a high-school production somewhere.
I have the Ed Sullivan clip in the 7 VHS tapes, if anyone's interested.
#36 changes between the original and revised merrily?
Posted: 9/21/12 at 12:49pm
AfterEight, I probably know the scores to more hard to find flops, than what you remember from your amazing memory. Regardless, I should have worded my post more carefully. Out of the commercially recorded scores of shows featured in Not Since Carrie--Merrily is *in my opinion* heads and shoulders over 2/3rds of them. Since we're limiting the criteria I would now change that that to 7/8ths. You do the math, thanks.
PJ I actually kinda love the dance from 13 Daughters on those tapes (I must have the same set as you do).
#37 changes between the original and revised merrily?
Posted: 9/21/12 at 1:07pm
Christ, After Eight, why take issue with people enjoying this score as much as they (obviously) do? It's very well-loved music that has hugely gained in reputation over the past few years.
As for the changes between the original and the revised versions, I echo other fans who feel like most of the changes were regrettable. The recent Donmar concert, which mostly reflects the 1981 version, is by far the best production I have seen. It's a deeply flawed show, but also a hugely ambitious one with gorgeous intentions and enormous sincerity. The revision is a little more competent, but at huge cost. Much like the revision to Carrie. (Not that I'm comparing the quality of the two scores.)
#38 changes between the original and revised merrily?
Posted: 9/21/12 at 10:40pm
After Eight is very much alone in his disdain for MERRILY's score. Hell, I've detailed my disappointment with the original production elsewhere, but even I have at least two different recordings (OBC and York), both of which I play often.
And the experiments that Sondheim was doing with modular composition and presenting reprises before the main versions of songs is, if not enough to entirely compensate for the problems with the book, fascinating to anyone who expects more from musical theater than mere escapism.
I saw the original version twice and the revision once and I would go again to see MERRILY, any time and anywhere--which is not to say I am blind to its faults.
As for Eric, he was obviously estimating when he said he was familiar with "2/3s" of the scores in NOT SINCE CARRIE. Eric's knowledge of musical theater (including shows from before he was born) is well documented in these threads and really requires no defense from me.
After Eight lost the argument when he started demanding a literal count of which scores others have heard. The constant shilling for TENDERLOIN does nothing to improve anyone's credibility.
After Eight
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/5/09
#39 changes between the original and revised merrily?
Posted: 9/21/12 at 11:31pm
"AfterEight, I probably know the scores to more hard to find flops, than what you remember from your amazing memory."
Please let's not descend to the childishness of "I know more than you do." But how can I but laugh at your assertion, since you already stated not knowing five titles I mentioned off the cuff? And how do you know how many flop scores I know to proclaim that you know more? I don't recall ever providing a list.
But let's dispense with such unimportant matters as facts, documentation, etc. Of course you know more than me or anyone else, not only about flop shows, but about everything there is to know about anything. After all, you're Eric.
But flop scores aside, you really disappointed the legions with your statement about 2/3, now amended to 7/8. (But "heads and shoulders" is very good. That will score you a couple of points.) For truly, where is the glory in saying this score is better than 7/8 of, or even all other flop shows? Wouldn't that go without saying? It's Sondheim, for heaven's sake --- or didn't you know that? What you should have said, indeed, what the true believers expect and demand that you say, is that it is better than anything Gershwin, Kern, Porter, Rodgers, Berlin, or anyone else ever wrote.
We all count on you, Eric. Don't fumble the ball like that again.
After Eight
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/5/09
#40 changes between the original and revised merrily?
Posted: 9/22/12 at 6:57am
"After Eight is very much alone in his disdain for MERRILY's score."
Ha ha ha. That will no doubt come as news to the audiences who jeered at the thing at the Alvin Theatre. The problem with making a blanket statement like this is that it only requires one more person on the planet to disprove it. But then, you're not interested in facts, only insults.
"The constant shilling for TENDERLOIN does nothing to improve anyone's
credibility."
Pssst, don't tell anyone, but, Eric himself has told us he loves it.
#41 changes between the original and revised merrily?
Posted: 9/22/12 at 7:13am
Eric may like TENDERLOIN, but he hasn't mentioned it 270 times since I joined here.
The unhappy audiences at the Alvin were baffled by the book, not dissatisfied with the score. "Not a Day Goes By" and "Good Thing Going" are two of Sondheim's best-known and most oft-repeated songs.
After Eight
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/5/09
#42 changes between the original and revised merrily?
Posted: 9/22/12 at 7:54am
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Uh, he said he loves it, not liked it. And I must have mentioned it at least 271 times. And now this makes 272. Tenderloin. 273 now. I love Tenderloin. 274. In the future, make sure you keep an accurate running count.
And audiences at the Alvin were dissatisfied with everything.
Your original statement was erroneous. Instead of trying to wriggle out of it, own up to it. That's the first step towards maturity. For you it would be a little late in the game, but better late than never.
Updated On: 9/22/12 at 07:54 AM
#43 changes between the original and revised merrily?
Posted: 9/22/12 at 1:28pm
This is such a ridiculous discussion. Thank you Gaveston for your defence.
I do love Tenderloin. I love The Boyfriend as well, as well as a number of shows I would check out of my library as a kid. And I think it's a very fine score, but I think Merrily's is better. You did ask if I knew it, and I said I loved it (Tenderloin). What more do you want? Should I start quoting lyrics?
AfterEight, you made assumptions of me, just as I did (after you did) of you. This is a no win situation. I think you have questionable taste (aside from your love of Williams), and you think I have more than questionable taste. Fine.
"But let's dispense with such unimportant matters as facts, documentation, etc. Of course you know more than me or anyone else, not only about flop shows, but about everything there is to know about anything. After all, you're Eric. "
Where the Hell did this come from. Are you jealous of me for some reason? It's hard to show humility on a forum, but I love this place because it teaches and exposes me to so much. Even some of your posts have made me aware of shows and ideas I've never had before, and wouldn't without here. If I have ever come off on here as preachy, I'm truly sorry. I never meant to.
#44 changes between the original and revised merrily?
Posted: 9/22/12 at 6:33pm
What more do you want? Should I start quoting lyrics?
Yes, please! Let's have a group singalong of "Artificial Flowers"!
Or not. :)
Seriously, After Eight, you are the first person I've ever "met" who doesn't like the MERRILY score. The title number alone is irresistably infectious. What I find odd is your determination to trash it, when it is the Sondheim score most similar to the scores you DO like.
Updated On: 9/22/12 at 06:33 PM
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