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would BELOVED work as a musical?
touchmeinthemorning
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/3/04
#25re: would BELOVED work as a musical?
Posted: 11/18/05 at 11:33amI, for one, have no problem DISCUSSING race. It's when you ignore our humanity in an attempt to even the score that things get tricky. I am a human being, and deserve to be treated as such -- without angry glib comments, and without a holier-than-thou attitude.
#26re: would BELOVED work as a musical?
Posted: 11/18/05 at 11:39am
Who cares what Whateverman posts here. I cannot believe that this fool hasnt been thrown off this site. From starting fake threads, cursing people out and arguing for the sake of it.
Dont waste your time, everyone. There is no reason to engage this poster.
"In Oz, the verb is douchifizzation." PRS
whateverman
Featured Actor Joined: 11/2/05
#27re: would BELOVED work as a musical?
Posted: 11/18/05 at 11:43am
GENESIS of this dicussion :BELOVED THE MUSICAL which evoked the opinion of not needing to see more of this tired portrayal of AA's on the broadway stage. thank u best.
Garland: http://www.vdare.com/fulford/years_of_rage.htm
Updated On: 11/18/05 at 11:43 AM
#28re: would BELOVED work as a musical?
Posted: 11/18/05 at 12:03pmOh i totally agree with whateveman. its really time to move on and offer some balance.. that is our countrys history yes.. but the problem here is balance.
#29re: would BELOVED work as a musical?
Posted: 11/18/05 at 12:11pm
dear,
you don't need to tell me about racism, sexism, classism-whatevuh. i just think you'd be happier among people who understand you.
and don't start on how white i am either, we've been through that.
touchmeinthemorning
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/3/04
#30re: would BELOVED work as a musical?
Posted: 11/18/05 at 12:18pm
Balance is the key, you're right.
I don't just want to see slave stories (mind you, I also don't want to completely do away with them) but -- they allow the mostly-white audience to experience a catharsis within themselves (namely, "Thank God my world doesn't have slavery anymore"). I'd love to see some stuff with the subtlety of racism portrayed. I think "Crash" did a really fantastic job of showing that to a certain extent. I want to see those same sorts of issues shown in their explicit and subtle way -- so we can see how we are all racist.
#31re: would BELOVED work as a musical?
Posted: 11/18/05 at 12:27pmwhateverman, I don't think I even believe you're black. You're more than likely a disgruntled former/current poster (no profile - very suspicious) who is desperate for attention. Take it somewhere else.
#32re: would BELOVED work as a musical?
Posted: 11/18/05 at 12:31pm
yes crash was indeed a wonderful film in the way that it exhibited racism in america. do you think that African Americans are generally on the defensive end of the stick as far a racism goes? is that why it exsists in the black community? (not that it makes it acceptable). i think there are other ways to fight against prejudice and racism. but i do understand the defensive position
Yea balance is so key.I as an african american think we need to hear and see both sides of the story. as it stands now we probably get more of a one sided picture with not enough examples of progression.
Beloved the musical would be a valid piece of work. but i think it would be nice to see the modern ambitious, succesful, everyday black american represented in a new black show.
was Dreamgirls the last? wow..more than a decade ago?
Updated On: 11/18/05 at 12:31 PM
#33re: would BELOVED work as a musical?
Posted: 11/18/05 at 12:54pm
touchmeinthemorning--- I agree with you on balance. But I doubt many of these authors are writing "slavery" material just so white audiences can say "thank God we don't have that anymore" as some sort of penance or cleansing of the soul.
There are a few more obvious reasons that come to mind:
1) The slavery struggle "plays well." Let's face it. Human conflict = big emotional impact in books, plays, movies, etc. That's another reason why writers and audience members gravitate toward slavery, war, the holocaust, etc. It makes for huge payoffs in storytelling. It's much harder to write an interesting provocative piece on an average day with "normal life" in 2005. I'm not implying that artists take the easy way out, but this is why "Our Town" appeals to me so much. It takes a normal day in a small Turn-of-the-Century town and makes it high art. Not that easy to do, though. Positive role models based on "normal" characters (white, black or any color) just don't play well on stage. We like to see human struggle, not "Joe" at the park on a sunny day. Joe's not that interesting to watch or learn from.
2) There is truth to the old cliché that if you forget history, you are doomed to repeat it. There is a strong desire by artists of all races to keep these human struggles in the public eye, so we don't forget.
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touchmeinthemorning
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/3/04
#34re: would BELOVED work as a musical?
Posted: 11/18/05 at 1:01pm
I agree 100%, best12bars. I don't think anyone has the intention to harm America...I believe that people do things because they think them the best way to behave. In fact, I think the slave story serves the purpose of remembering history. However, it is a double-edged sword -- one side helps, and one side hurts.
I don't think that black folks are on the defense all the time (nor are they on the offense all the time)...I couldn't even say on balance things go one way or another. The best lesson I ever saw on racism was at one of my first temp jobs -- working for an HR department. The director of HR was going through resumes submitted via email, and he skipped past all the "ethnic" names, and opened the resumes that were male and young. He just wanted to work with another young gay man who was cute. And he hired one. It was the worst example of the subtlety of racism that I have EVER seen. It is THAT kind of story that needs to be told.
#35re: would BELOVED work as a musical?
Posted: 11/18/05 at 1:19pm
i dont think any of us want to see blah or bland on stage.. but u take the example of Dreamgirls. the story is full of struggle and dramatic tension. Its quite compelling as we all know yet these characters are everyday free contemporary people. i feel we just need to see more of that to balance out hte history that will NEVER be forgotten and what will continue to be displayed.
Updated On: 11/18/05 at 01:19 PM
whateverman
Featured Actor Joined: 11/2/05
#36re: would BELOVED work as a musical?
Posted: 11/18/05 at 1:33pm
"We get it whateverman... you poor, misunderstood black person, you. Nobody knows but you." best12bars.
Poor misunderstood black person?
ok. way to go with ur racist comment best.. and the funny thing is u dont even realize it. Why is it that when a black person voices an opinion on the issue of race they are either 1)angry or
2)poor/misunderstood?
u think about that one.
Updated On: 11/18/05 at 01:33 PM
#37re: would BELOVED work as a musical?
Posted: 11/18/05 at 1:35pmAnyone else picturing a fat, middle-aged, comic-book collecting WHITE loser who hasn't had a date in 25 years?
whateverman
Featured Actor Joined: 11/2/05
#38re: would BELOVED work as a musical?
Posted: 11/18/05 at 1:36pm
rath ur attempt at "comedy" is expected. what else would u have to say when the truth/issue is too difficult for u to deal with. thats fine. next.
Updated On: 11/18/05 at 01:36 PM
#39re: would BELOVED work as a musical?
Posted: 11/18/05 at 1:40pmI'm not being funny. I'm serious. You can't be for real.
#40re: would BELOVED work as a musical?
Posted: 11/18/05 at 1:42pm
rath---I like your "visual."
We definitely have a role player here.
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whateverman
Featured Actor Joined: 11/2/05
#41re: would BELOVED work as a musical?
Posted: 11/18/05 at 1:45pm
no.. uncomfortable "humor"
still thinking best12? mm hmm.. thought so. real ugly comment. and u know it.
more of your genius:
And "angry" black people pass judgment faster than any white person I know. Are you really that scared? best12bars.
Updated On: 11/18/05 at 01:45 PM
whateverman
Featured Actor Joined: 11/2/05
#42re: would BELOVED work as a musical?
Posted: 11/18/05 at 1:53pm
"i dont think any of us want to see blah or bland on stage.. but u take the example of Dreamgirls. the story is full of struggle and dramatic tension. Its quite compelling as we all know yet these characters are everyday free contemporary people. i feel we just need to see more of that to balance out hte history that will NEVER be forgotten and what will continue to be displayed."
great example Ozone.
whateverman
Featured Actor Joined: 11/2/05
#43re: would BELOVED work as a musical?
Posted: 11/18/05 at 1:53pm
"i dont think any of us want to see blah or bland on stage.. but u take the example of Dreamgirls. the story is full of struggle and dramatic tension. Its quite compelling as we all know yet these characters are everyday free contemporary people. i feel we just need to see more of that to balance out hte history that will NEVER be forgotten and what will continue to be displayed."
great example Ozone.
#44re: would BELOVED work as a musical?
Posted: 11/18/05 at 3:16pm
"Anyone else picturing a fat, middle-aged, comic-book collecting WHITE loser who hasn't had a date in 25 years?" ~ Rathnait62
See, I was thinking more along the lines of STAR WARS fanatic as opposed to comic book collector. I wonder if he is into DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS too?
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