A question for the Mormons and "reformed" Mormons on this board...

I asked Donny and Marie Osmond and they refused to comment.

No way to know if it's true or not, I suppose, but that Osmond story is pretty interesting.

Wow. How ignorant ARE your parents?


"If everyone just plays nice..."


WTF?!

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I think the name for 'reformed Mormons' as a whole should be "Reformons."

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It can't be easy for someone who has been raised all their life to believe certain things... to be at odds with the people of your own church and the "church" itself.

But I wonder how/why some have chosen to stay with the faith, when you clearly don't share some of their major, "critical" beliefs.

I also wonder why these people think anyone would FORCE them to marry same-sex couples! Or force them to accept gays in their church. If it's not in their beliefs as a religion, they don't HAVE to do it.

BUT... even if it's not in their beliefs as a religion, it is NOT their place in our society to dictate what the beliefs of others outside of their faith should be.

That's where they are fundamentally, humanly and (yes) morally WRONG.

They don't have to like that I'm gay. They don't have to perform a same-sex marriage ceremony either, or have their "faith" recognize a gay marriage. But they can't deny us the basic LEGAL rights of marriage under the protection of our shared government.

This is where they have overstepped their bounds. A clear breach of "separation of church and state."

And quite frankly, they need to back the hell off... or face a little bit of "hate" thrown right back squarely in their sanctimonious, collective faces.

No holds barred, either. They're getting exactly what they deserve now.

And (back to the original subject of the thread), that can't be easy for some of you who are both Mormons (by birth or upbringing) and are also agreeing with me that this is VERY wrong.

I don't envy your position, and I know it can't be easy.

I guess there are two roads:

1. Leave the church.

2. Try to educate your fellow members and make it very clear that you don't agree with what they have done. (And good luck to staying in the church or even speaking with them for very long.) That's the stand up and fight road. For as long as you can, until you're thrown out.

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Magic Mormon Underwear.

After watching that video of Father Michael Barber, my comment was "That was DISGUSTING." I won't post what my husband said in response because this thread would be deleted.

I want to say something meaningful here, but I am literally speechless.

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Why don't the Mormons realize the radical Christians hate them every bit as much as they hate the homos? If they're worried about anyone wanting to infringe on their religious freedom, they should be fighting the dominionists, not cuddling up to them because of their mutual loathing of gays.

The James Dobsons and such are being nice to the Mormons right now just because they're useful at this point. They'll be back to calling them hellbound cultists in a few weeks.

I know asking for rational thinking from a religion founded by a guy who believed in moon men (long after science knew that was ridiculous) and such might be a bit much, but come on. It's worth a try.

Updated On: 11/8/08 at 11:30 PM

I love how he quotes the guy saying anyone who voted for Obama will burn in hell. If anyone in San Diego is looking for the next spot to protest, his brainwashing school might be a good target.

The Mormons think they can come and Fvck with our state and we will all forget.

Think again.

This is not over. Far from it.

Mormons Stole Our Rights

Sounds to me like they have a serious chance of losing their 501(c)3 nonprofit status in the United States, based on these very clear rules.

And nothing would make me happier right now then to see them go down.

Enough!

And the Catholics had better watch their step in this country as well, unless they want to entertain the notion of paying enormous taxes as well.

Wouldn't that help turn our ailing economy around? To have millions of dollars paid to the U.S. government for the "privilege" of having one's powerful political voice heard.

Back the hell off. If you spend a substantial amount of money (aka millions of dollars) to influence legislation, you're a lobbyist. And you no longer qualify as a nonprofit. Pretty simple to understand.

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Well, Q, I have to disagree with you there. I am a big supporter of the separation of church and state.

But apparently the Mormons aren't.

Fine enough. Then they need to get ready for the gubm'nt. They should be knocking on that big temple door with a whole slew of questions for them very soon. And lots and lots of paperwork.

Yes, lots.

And get ready to dig into those sacred vaults for every dollar allocated in the past 7 years.

Oh, this should be fun.

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