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#476

Academy takes steps to encourage positive change

Progressive people should in fact want that. Better representation of the diversity of our world leads to shifts in the normative "standards of beauty."

Television is leading the way. As The New York Times put it this morning, "Why Diverse TV Matters. It's Better":

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/television-is-getting-more-diverse-heres-why-its-good-for-the-business/2015/11/27/8cc06fd2-8ee1-11e5-baf4-bdf37355da0c_story.html

As The Washington Post put it in November: "Television is getting more diverse. Here’s why it’s good for the business."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/television-is-getting-more-diverse-heres-why-its-good-for-the-business/2015/11/27/8cc06fd2-8ee1-11e5-baf4-bdf37355da0c_story.html

The world only spins forward, Dave. Expecting black people, or any people of color, to stay in their place because that's what they've always done is both unrealistic and yes, racist.

The Academy recognizes the problem in having a voting body that is mostly old, white and male. They're changing that and that's a good thing. You can't go back to the bad old days.


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#477

Academy takes steps to encourage positive change

"Yes, it might be influenced by many forces, a big influence can be what people recognize in themselves or own parents growing up, etc. "

Which is what people were trying to explain to you earlier in thread.

Which is why this step in diversity is necessary. Because as long as the overwhelmingly white Academy votes for who they "recognize in themselves", then fair voting and necessary rep for POC will never be a part of the Academy Awards.

Updated On: 2/10/16 at 09:08 PM

#479

Academy takes steps to encourage positive change

FindingNamo said: "Expecting black people, or any people of color, to stay in their place."

What are you talking about? Nobody is expecting anybody to stay in their place. I like everybody to shine. I just wonder why you like to see crooked percentages so much and why that matters to you so much.

#480

Academy takes steps to encourage positive change

Showface said: "

Which is why this step in diversity is necessary. Because as long as the overwhelmingly white Academy votes for who they "recognize in themselves", then fair voting and necessary rep for POC will never be a part of the Academy Awards."

Diversity in the voting body is great. As long as not everyone is going to vote only for their own race. Because right now you are accusing people of doing just that, so that is by no means a solution for the real problem.

Now, you also shouldn't confuse these 2 things; yes, the majority of the population is white. So there is much more competition in white actors and a much higher amount of white actors, so a much smaller percentage of white actors that actually get hired. The amount of black people auditioning might be lower (logic, population), but the amount that get hired is much higher percentage wise. Which is a real privilege, nothing to complain about.

Now if ANY person gets a role, and knows how to conquer all the odds of this whole process, then we are going to look at awards. Awards are not about recognizing yourself whatsoever, but about a combination of talent. And an impression you made on the world with the role. I really don't think people ignore great performances at this point.

The solution lies mainly in accepting. Go for mainstream in a positive way. Make the gap disappear, gain respect and conquer the odds. Many people have done that.

Creating own worlds, awards and threatening and insulting white people is not really that.

Updated On: 2/11/16 at 10:06 AM

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Academy takes steps to encourage positive change

So there is much more competition in white actors and a much higher amount of white actors, so a much smaller percentage of white actors that actually get hired. The amount of black people auditioning might be lower (logic, population), but the amount that get hired is much higher percentage wise. Which is a real privilege, nothing to complain about.

This is a complete fabrication in your mind.


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Academy takes steps to encourage positive change

FindingNamo said: "So there is much more competition in white actors and a much higher amount of white actors, so a much smaller percentage of white actors that actually get hired. The amount of black people auditioning might be lower (logic, population), but the amount that get hired is much higher percentage wise. Which is a real privilege, nothing to complain about.

This is a complete fabrication in your mind.

"

You really don't understand percentages, do you?

#484

Academy takes steps to encourage positive change

Reginald Tresilian said: "threatening and insulting white people is not really that.

Who is doing that?

"

Everybody in this thread that is saying "Ugly white people with glasses in the voting committee", "We demand higher percentages than the percentage of the population" and not seeing for example that "Grease live" has a very high representation, much higher than the population and not seeing that or liking that is quite insulting in itself. This whole mentality will not gain resepect and certainly not equality.

#485

Academy takes steps to encourage positive change

You don't. And you're pretending that black actors are competing for the same roles as the white actors, and the whole point is they are not even seen due to the biases of the mainly white, mainly male creators (writers, producers, directors).

And you don't understand racism. The very concept of "so it's a privilege for them" is at the cornerstone of all racist thinking; to invert the actual problem and say it's an advantage.


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#487

Academy takes steps to encourage positive change

Please tell me you're not linking a GERMAN article that's telling people to "get over racism"? PLEASE TELL ME THAT.

Maybe it's Dutch. Still. THIS is your source?


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Updated On: 2/11/16 at 11:03 AM

#488

Academy takes steps to encourage positive change

Do you know anything about this planet. At all?

It is an american clip, from an American person, placed on a Dutch (not german) site.

I just think he hits the nail on the head about what continues this problem. The mindset.

Updated On: 2/11/16 at 11:04 AM

#489

Academy takes steps to encourage positive change

Everybody in this thread that is saying . . .

Again, if you can't make your point without resorting to exaggeration and outright falsehoods, you probably don't have a point to make. Setting that aside, where are the threats you allude to?

#490

Academy takes steps to encourage positive change

Reginald Tresilian said: "Setting that aside, where are the threats you allude to?

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Everywhere on the internet. From the threats Disney received (yes, broken windows at the office) about the Princess and the frog because people demanded another job for Tiana and another name, to comments that a white girl should kill herself because she is singing "And I am telling you" in a clip on youtube. And everything in between.

My point is, that this aggressive, demanding attitude is not gaining respect nor making the race gap disappear.

Updated On: 2/11/16 at 11:13 AM

#491

Academy takes steps to encourage positive change

I did a quick Google search and SURPRISE! Nothing came up about broken windows related to Princess and the Frog.

Keep reaching, though.

Dave19, considering that for years now, it's been Numerous BWW posters vs You...do you ever maybe stop to consider that you are wrong? No? I'm not surprised.

As a non-American, you are in no position to comment on institutiomal racism in America, and you most certainly cannot speak for black people (because apparently, to you, black people are the problem).

Last page, you admitted that the overwhelmingly casting directors and Academy voters have bias towards their own race, so maybe instead of talking in circles and posting incoherent ramblings, you should evaluate what your argument actually is and if you have a place in said argument.

#492

Academy takes steps to encourage positive change

You clearly have veered SO FAR OFF TOPIC that you have revealed you have a real agenda. A real White Rights agenda. A real, historically white European agenda. Like a couple of the Mitford sisters.

And the existence of a couple of Disney princesses is emblematic of NOTHING. Hard to believe you think others don't understand statistics.


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#493

Academy takes steps to encourage positive change

You know whe had serious race issues here in Europe too? Even worse than in the USA.

Why do you think it's almost gone here and it continues to be a problem in the USA?

Nothing to do with mindset and integrating in a positive way? Nothing to do with keeping on thinking in race constantly?

Then I suggest you keep on enjoying the situation in the USA.

Bye.

Updated On: 2/11/16 at 11:27 AM

#494

Academy takes steps to encourage positive change

Last question. Do you actually have a problem with the fact that 77.4% of the population is white and 12% is black and that that of course translates to every job, including film and theatre?

Acceptance is also a big part of this.

#495

Academy takes steps to encourage positive change

I think by now we can trust when you say "bye" that you will continue to post.

I hope your racism boner feels good. Do you finger your booty when you jerk off to this thread?

#497

Academy takes steps to encourage positive change

FindingNamo said: "And the existence of a couple of Disney princesses is emblematic of NOTHING. "

It's not about the existence, it's about the threats Disney received about side issues. Shows a hostile mindset. The opposite of integrating.

#498

Academy takes steps to encourage positive change

Do you actually have a problem with the fact that 77.4% of the population is white and 12% is black and that that of course translates to every job,

THERE IS NO PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION IN AMERICAN ENTERTAINMENT. Get over that false idea you keep promoting.

LOVE that you think Europe is over its race problems! Hilarious.

When you bring in "threats" against Disney to a topic of the voting body for the Oscars being too white, too old and too male, you reveal your ridiculous "but what about the poor victimized white people???" agenda.


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#499

Academy takes steps to encourage positive change

FindingNamo said: "THERE IS NO PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION IN AMERICAN ENTERTAINMENT.

"but what about the poor victimized white people???" agenda.

"

There is proportional representation in everything.

And yes, 100 people auditioning for Les mis, of which 12 black of which 6 get hired means a 50% hire rate.

88 non black people auditioning of which 24 get hired means a 21% hire rate.

No matter how deep you stick your head in the sand.

Updated On: 2/11/16 at 11:52 AM

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