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Activist judge rules health care law unconstitutional

I went to look at alternatives to COBRA today on healthcare.gov. The first suggestion was that I get on my presumably heterosexual spouse's health plan. The second suggestion was COBRA.
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Activist judge rules health care law unconstitutional

The judge ruled that the government couldn't force people to buy insurance. That's a far cry from ruling the law unconstitutional.

And we all know that this is just the process and that this decision will end up in the Supreme Court.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
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Activist judge rules health care law unconstitutional

This is only the beginning -- there'll be nothing left of Obama's Legacy in nothing flat.
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." Thomas Pynchon, GRAVITY'S RAINBOW "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick My blog: http://www.roscoewrites.blogspot.com/
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Activist judge rules health care law unconstitutional

Cobra is aptly named - a snake.

I never understood the logic. Yeah it is nice to be able to keep your insurance but how to pay for it if you have no income

A puzzlement.
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Activist judge rules health care law unconstitutional

Funny how his clear conflict of interest did not force him to recuse himself. If this was a Dem-appointed judge with a financial stake in lobbying for health care reform who upheld all of the law, all hell would break loose on the right.

I believe the judge's opinion will be overturned on appeal. It is a very, very narrow interpretation of the commerce clause and does not invalidate the entire HCR law, only the individual mandate. If for some reason the SCOTUS upholds the opinion (which with this bunch, is always possible), this opinion may pave the way for a true public option. The judge's issue was an individual mandate forcing the purchase of a product in the private market - the basis for this argument is lost if you expand Medicare and make a public option available.

It would be a bit ironic if the VA AG helped pave the way for a true public option. If I was a betting woman (and I really am not) I would say this will be overturned on appeal.
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Activist judge rules health care law unconstitutional

If this goes all the way to the SCOTUS, and they deem this unconsitutional, I would assume that means that states couldn't also require drivers to carry auto insurance? And for the record, the mandate is actually a fairly conservative concept, and a win for the insurers, this is just another example of the right doing ANYTHING to derail Obama, even if it flies in the face of their own ideology.
"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson
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Activist judge rules health care law unconstitutional

MB - agree completely - the individual mandate was proposed by the GOP think-tank the Heritage Foundation - it is funny that the very plan they promoted in the 90's is now considered so heinous.

If Obama likes it, it must be evil. At some point, all of these GOP contortions will come back on them.
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Activist judge rules health care law unconstitutional

"If this goes all the way to the SCOTUS, and they deem this unconsitutional, I would assume that means that states couldn't also require drivers to carry auto insurance?"

Let's go over this one more time as some of you still don't get it.

Nobody is required to buy auto insurance as it is not mandatory that people own cars.

Those who choose to have cars are governed by the state they register in. Some states require different insurance than other states. So you have choice as to whether you want heavy insurance or hardly any insurance based on what state you are in.

Regarding healthcare, the Obama law forced every person to have health insurance. There was no choice. You had to get it. (Except for those who got exceptions from Obama).


If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
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Activist judge rules health care law unconstitutional

"Who has Obama given exemptions from the mandatory health insurance?"
Link
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
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Activist judge rules health care law unconstitutional

"Nobody is required to buy auto insurance as it is not mandatory that people own cars."

Typing in all bold doesn't make what you're saying any less lame. That's like saying people who don't like the new airport security measures can choose not fly. In today's age, owning a car is a necessity for some, just like flying is for others.

Updated On: 12/14/10 at 12:51 PM

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Activist judge rules health care law unconstitutional

JoeK, you didn't even comprehend what I linked. It has everything to do with mandatory health insurance.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
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Activist judge rules health care law unconstitutional

No, Goth it does not. What we are discussing is the "personal mandate"- a requirement that all Americans have health insurance. What you linked to was about group health insurance plans that have been placing low limits on lifetime benefits and waivers being granted to allow them one year to make the necessary changes.
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Activist judge rules health care law unconstitutional

"What you linked to was about group health insurance plans that have been placing low limits on lifetime benefits"

So we agree that what I linked to was about health insurance.

From the link:

"annual limit requirements are reviewed on a case by case basis by Department officials who look at a series of factors including whether or not a premium increase is large or if a significant number of enrollees would lose access to their current plan

People that lose access to their current plan would be required by the government to have insurance. But this list is a waiver list, so they aren't required to have it.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
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Activist judge rules health care law unconstitutional

You really are pathetic.

Here is what you posted: "Regarding health care, the Obama law forced every person to have health insurance. There was no choice. You had to get it. (Except for those who got exceptions from Obama)."

And when challenged you posted that link about companies getting a one-year waiver to bring their group coverage in line with the plan mandate. There is NOTHING about individuals getting an exception to the mandatory coverage. Nothing. Do you really not understand that?

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Activist judge rules health care law unconstitutional

"People that lose access to their current plan would be required by the government to have insurance. But this list is a waiver list, so they aren't required to have it."

And no, this means nothing of the sort. If a company on this list discontinues coverage, the employees would be required to obtain health insurance elsewhere.
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Activist judge rules health care law unconstitutional

God grant Joe the serenity
to accept the things he cannot change;
courage to change the things he can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson
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Activist judge rules health care law unconstitutional

"If a company on this list discontinues coverage, the employees would be required to obtain health insurance elsewhere."

Requiring an employee to obtain health insurance is forcing them to buy health insurance. They don't have a choice of going without. It's mandatory. That's what's unconstitutional.

If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.

Updated On: 12/14/10 at 03:45 PM

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Activist judge rules health care law unconstitutional

And that list you posted has NOTHING to do with that. You do understand that now, right? The one year waiver of lifetime limits on health insurance has NOTHING to do with the requirement that everyone have health insurance.

I honestly think we are making progress here....

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