I live in Livingston, NJ (right next to West Orange), and kids here are starting to get nasty. I'm only in middle school, and people are hating others simply for not supporting the same candidate as they do. It's good that they are starting to get interested in politics, but this is just absurd. Our town is fairly liberal also, but Bush supporters are starting to pop up here and there. In Social Studies we sometimes have political discussions, and they can't think of even one reason why they are supporting Bush. I'd be glad to engage in a debate, but they wouldn't be able to argue their side at all.
I agree Auggie, who said that following a leader brainlessly with no will of your own is patriotic? It's the opposite! We live in a country with choices and the ability to speak your mind. What's more patriotic than exercising your rights by questioning the people in charge? I'm pissed right along with you Auggie!
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Well, believe it or not, same problem in Wisconsin and Michigan! The Kerry Wisconsin offices have given out hundreds of yard signs, and people keep coming back for more, because they are stolen. (I guess the R's are a little more polite in that they don't take a dump on the lawn!!!) One woman who had lost 4 covered a new sign in Vaseline and PEPPER SPRAY....the guy was caught, he was a prominent attorney in the community. (Heard this from staff in the Kerry Chicago office, as a discussion of funding more supplies was underway.)
So, Priest, give that a try. Even if the perpetrator isn't caught, it sure will be satisfying.....
I am going to Houston next weekend, and as impassioned as I am, I'm debating wearing my Kerry buttons. I'm afraid I might get shot!!!
"I am going to Houston next weekend, and as impassioned as I am, I'm debating wearing my Kerry buttons. I'm afraid I might get shot!!!"
I get nasty looks all the time because of the Kerry/Edwards buttons on my backpack.
And you couldn't beleive the things said to me when I wear my Kerry t-shirt (which by the way is really cool looking).
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By the way Stickto Priest, I really like your signature.
I had a guy write me a letter to tell me how much he appreciated my Bush/Cheney 04 sign. I'm about as republican as one person can get...it was kinda nice. =) *ducks*
Guido...I don't hate Republicans.
But I feel really sorry for the ones who are ignorant and the ones who pull stunts like this.
Can you imagine wearing one of the anti-Bush shirts (with the red line through Bush) in Texas!!? I so want to visit home just for that. I hope a mutha****er tries sumpin'!
I don't hate democrats either, but i do dislike the ones who blame all of the events of the past few years on GW..even though the rapid decrease in the value of the Union has been going on far before his election.
I don't blame all of the events of the past few years on Bush, so I'm not one of the Democrats you dislike, Guido. Whew! I do blame some things on him and I think he is unfit for public office. He's not an intelligent man. Period. I'm chosing to vote against him.
as much as i hate to say it, I think the invasion and attack against the Al Qaida was perfectly justifiable. I have no problem whatsoever backing his decision of military use.
"against the Al Qaida"
I supported his attack on Al Quida, too.
But Al Quida and Iraq are *not* the same thing.
do you have a better idea on how we could have attacked the al qaida, knowing full well that they were stationed in Iraq? we couldn't hardly pull the grade school thing "come on out here and fight like a man"
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There is NO EVIDENCE that Al Qaida and Saddam Hussain had any but the most casual encounters. Saddam had absolutely NOTHING to do with 9/11. I cannot believe that anyone who can read still believes this. Iraq NOW is a haven for Al Qaida and any number of other terrorist and insurgent groups, and it is all because of the good old USA and Bush's failed war. It is a quagmire, a civil war, and the US will be stuck there, with our soldiers dying and being wounded daily, for a good long time.
One more time: NO CONNECTION between bin Laden and Saddam.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5223932/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=11231
I can't believe you'd honestly take the word of a notorious liar. Hussein can't be trusted and obviously neither can any of the Al Qaida members. That'd be like me saying I had nothing to do with the girl i danced with last night...you can't prove it, but are you gonna believe it?
I refuse to further this debate just because it always ends in someone insulting someone else for what they believe to be true. the fact is, neither you NOR I have proof that either of us right, all we know is what the media tells us...however trustworthy that might be.
Name a concrete fact that proves there were connections.
give me one that proves there weren't. and because they said so, isn't concrete...or because the news said so. I'm talking uncontestable proof...inconclusive evidence.
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Well, the 9-11 Commission came to the same conclusion, after interviewing hundreds of people, including the Bush administration and intelligence officers in the various branches of the US intelligence community. Hardly relying on Saddam's testimony!
One can have a "personal opinion" on it, of course, but if it is built on illusion and fantasy, you are right, it is pointless to debate the issue.
Updated On: 9/11/04 at 04:56 PM
yeah, I think that when the 9-11 comission comes out with a strong statement like that, they probably know what they're talking about. There is NO connection. We were all decieved. And where are the WMDs? Just a question, cause i would really like to know where those weapons are if we went to war because of the threats they posed to our nation.
It is known that Saddam and Osama hated each other.
back to the signs.....
I just came from a Kerry fundraiser bbq in Virginia and they had these great banners that said "give Bush the boot" with huge cowboy boots. Everybody there was in the spirit. The whole neighborhood rallied behind them. If I had seen a W sign in another lawn I would not have ripped it up and vandalized the house, I'm chosing to give the guy the boot with my vote.
Al Qaeda and Saddam's government are two different things entirely, Guido. Both evil, perhaps, but they're not connected. Even the Bush administration haven't seriously made the case that they are connected, mainly because they can't. Whether or not you support the Iraq War, it's better if you do your research about these things -- then at least you know what exactly you're supporting.
Ok, i'm willing to admit Saddam doesn't have as big an Al-Quida connection like we thought before, but I will continue to believe that the world IS a better place without him. Why do you guys think we should have just left him in power? Besides, there was PLENTY of time for any WMD's to be hidden very carefully. You guys can't believe that Saddam was just this harmless little old grandpa who had no beef against America?
I'm just glad he's gone.
But there are men who pose a much higher threat to US security. Hussein only WISHES he had the ability to do what we accused him of doing.
I mean, i think even Robert Mugabe is a higher threat to the security of the US then Saddam was.
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