Bringing up Cheney's daughter's sexuality

[ckeaton]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 10:46am

I personally resent the fact that Kerry would use her as a political pawn. There are millions of names he could've pulled out of his hat. In his brain, I am sure he was trying to use it as a smear, to win some votes from homophobes in the midwest who don't want a lesbian baby's daddy in office. I can't see there being positive intentions behind using Miss Cheney's life as a political zinger.

What do you all think. I am legitimately interested in an opinion from all folks on this one.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 10:49am

Well, there's not a single word that comes out of the asshole's mouth that isn't intended to woo somebody. I personally think that it was an unfortunate thing for him to do, but after all, what do you expect from a communist?

[ShbrtAlley44]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 10:50am

I don't think he was trying to smear anyone, but simply to point out that the Bush/Cheney party has a close tie to the issue and should treat it with respect. I don't know how good of an idea it was, but I don't think he meant anything derogatory by it. Updated On: 10/14/04 at 10:50 AM

[rlbgbc]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 10:51am

That's a bunch of crap. I don't think he used her as a political pawn -- to me, it was mentioning the elephant that was standing in the corner. And he certainly didn't slam her -- he stated a simple fact that probably everyone in America is aware of. I'd be curious to know if Mary Cheney was offended by the reference.

Correction: I'd be curious to know if Mary Cheney was honestly offended by the reference -- with all consideration of campaign tactics set aside.

[ckeaton]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 10:51am

Well Rodney, I think that's a bit extreme.

In terms of being close to the issue, we're all aware of it, Cheney has spoken about it, the media has covered it. How is it a fact for a "Debate"?

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 10:52am

exactly. and let us not forget how BUSH is using every gay person as a pawn. not JUST opening his mouth!

[ckeaton]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 10:53am

Perhaps...

[SonofMammaMiaSam]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 10:53am

Do you believe for one moment that if Kerry/Edwards had a gay/lesbian son/daughter that Bush/Cheyney wouldn't have brought it up in one of the debates? Really think about that!

[ckeaton]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 10:56am

I'm not sure what purpose it would serve Bush/Cheney.
What would they say, in bringing it up?

"We want to deny Suzy Edwards basic rights."

I think they'd ignore it, I really do. It serves no political purpose for them. I thought about it, and I don't see how it would happen SOMMS.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 10:56am

you're probably right about that SOMM.

By definition if your are an extreme leftist, then you are a communist.

http://www.CommunistsForKerry.com

[glitzguy3]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 11:00am

Rodney...you've been doing so well...don't slip back into "assholeness"...

[rlbgbc]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 11:00am

RodneyK's assertion "Well, there's not a single word that comes out of the asshole's mouth that isn't intended to woo somebody" is one of the most incredible things I've ever read.

Hon, this is an election campaign. Do you honestly think that's a valid complaint? I'd say that could apply to to Bush, Cheney, Kerry, Edwards, Nader, and the nerd running for student council president. Good Lord.

[Gothampc]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 11:01am

ckeaton, you must go to the bookstore and take a look at Ann Coulter's new book "How to Talk to a Liberal (If You Must)". There is a chapter in the book called "The Party of Ideas". It is the best and most complete answer to your question.

[SonofMammaMiaSam]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 11:02am

How about to show that their parents are extremely liberal and thus incompetent. How about they only support the cause because it's their kid. How about those homo lovers aren't Christian. They think it, eventually they would say it.

[WindyCityActor]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 11:05am

Mary's sexuality was a known fact, although it wasn't openly brought into the political environment until Cheney mentioned several weeks ago in conjection with same sex marriage.

After that, it was fair game.

If anyone should have a problem with it, it would be Mary...and if so, she needs to first have a chat with her dad.

[Zola Q. LaPlaya]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 11:06am

Good to see Rotney's right back to being a total schmuck.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 11:07am

ck - you're right there are millions of names he could have mentioned. However, there was something to be gained by mentioning that particular one - THAT one shows the rest of America how this administration is willing to go down certain paths, even if it is negatively affecting those closest to them. I find great validity in making it very clear that picking this group means accepting moral judgement that overrides the family dynamic. Which is FASCINATING coming from the 'side' that beats the 'family values' drum until their hands are bloody. All kerry did was make sure everyone could see whose blood is actually getting sacrificed.

[rlbgbc]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 11:07am

And I believe the first one to mention Mary Cheney in the debates was not one of the 4 candidates -- it was Gwen Ifel (sp?) during the VP debate.

So blame the media. Whatever. They let the dyke out of the barn, so to speak. [I was going to say "lifted the finger out of the dike"...but thought it might be taken the wrong way. ] Updated On: 10/14/04 at 11:07 AM

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 11:08am

**claps**

[ckeaton]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 11:10am

That, DGrant, is an answer. Thanks... it's the perspective that I was missing. I'm still not comfortable with him bringing it up to lead into his answer, I feel it's inappropriate to use someone's name without consent like that... but your answer is one of the first to make sense.

[Zola Q. LaPlaya]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 11:11am

Mary Cheney's job before her dad was VP was at the Coors Brewing Company to advise on marketing to the gay community. She is not afraid to be referred to as a "lesbian." She knows what and who she is.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 11:16am

"Good to see Rotney's right back to being a total schmuck."

I love you to, Zola.

Thanks for flaming me, all. I apprectiate it. It's kinda chilly in Chi town today.

Anyhow, my question is this....

How many homosexuals are there in this country who have conservative parents who have rejected them due to their sexual orientation? How many of those same conservative parents have looked at the Mary Cheney situation and reconsidered thier posostion? You'd think the homosexual community would applaud the Cheneys and condem Kerry for using it for his own gain.

[kissmycookie]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 11:18am

Applaud the Cheneys for what? Having been exposed to the hypocrisy of supporting an administration whose policies discriminate against their daughter?

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 11:19am

"Invading Mary's privacy" is a bogus issue.

The Bushes and the Cheneys are ashamed of who Mary is because they feel it "discredits" them with the Religious Right.

No one outed Mary--she outed herself years ago when she took a job with Coors as liaison to the GLBT community.

Bush's promise of a constitutional amendment is just sucking up to the Religious Right. The RNC has sent out anti-gay mailings just to suck up to the Religious Right.

Get that, Rodney? Sucking up. Bush is doing exactly what you're accusing Kerry of.

If you want to see a hilarious Mary Cheney website to to www.dearmary.com.

It's put together by the guy who did stopdrlaura.com.
Letters to Mary

Updated On: 10/14/04 at 11:19 AM

[Zola Q. LaPlaya]

Posted: 10/14/04 at 11:26am

Nothing to add to PalJoey's comments. He covered it all.

Their latent homophobia rears its head when they say it's dirty to call a lesbian a lesbian.