Can the Adults Please Smoke? Part 24, Drunk on Guinness- Page 8

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 7/12/08 at 6:05pm

*quickly tries to erase mental image*

Well, there are some fixer-uppers in my complex, which need some total gutting, but are considered "affordable" by some...

But realistically, just wishful thinking on my part.

[miss pennywise]

Posted: 7/12/08 at 6:05pm

You bring up an excellent point, DG. In Palm Springs, where people are pretty "tolerant," I just felt so comfortable, like "everyone is welcomed here!" That's the ideal for me. I guess that's why I like NYC and the area where I live. It's sad though that the term "liberal" is now synonymous with "tolerant."

[NYadgal]

Posted: 7/12/08 at 6:22pm

Are liberals tolerant of conservatives?

[DG]

Posted: 7/12/08 at 6:29pm

Obviously not all the time, Addy. I have great tolerance for anyone's ability to create their own existence as they see fit. I can also have great difficulty maintaining that level of tolerance when an attempt is made to determine MY course of existence.

[NYadgal]

Posted: 7/12/08 at 6:35pm

As you know, I try to reject labels and stay away from stereotypes, as I believe they don't allow for the kind of tolerance I believe in.

I was just commenting on Miss P's sentence that 'liberal' has become synonymous with 'tolerant'... I don't necessarily agree.

I think to be truly tolerant is a challenge for all of us.

[D2]

Posted: 7/12/08 at 6:38pm

Miss P makes an interesting comment about Palm Springs, since on Tuesday we had dinner with one of my HS friends who now lives there. And his perspective on Palm Springs was the exact opposite - he complained bitterly of the conservative, stuck in the mud attitudes there.

Then again, he complained bitterly about everything, including his mother (who has been dead for 22 years.)

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 7/12/08 at 6:39pm

Agreed.

I also find it almost amusing that many times, those who claim to be one thing the loudest exhibit behavior contrary to that which they claim to believe.

It is far easier to talk the talk, than walk the walk.

[NYadgal]

Posted: 7/12/08 at 6:43pm

It's an interesting issue...

To be TRULY tolerant, we have to embrace that which we would want to reject. Absolutely easier to talk the talk...

[miss pennywise]

Posted: 7/12/08 at 6:43pm

I wasn't actually stating an opinion. "Liberal" and "tolerant" are used by some people interchangeably. That's what I'm saying is sad. (That IS an opinion. )

[NYadgal]

Posted: 7/12/08 at 6:46pm

And I was just stopping by to say hi.

And, totally understand what you meant with your statement, Miss P!

[DG]

Posted: 7/12/08 at 6:47pm

Funnily enough, when I think about the choices that the TinMan and I make for how we live our own daily lives, we skew more toward the 'conservative' side of the coin. But, those decisions are what reflect on OUR lives, no one elses.

Hey, if papa and I can like and respect each other as much as we do, anything is possible!

There, that's the solution - the world should be more like papa and me!

Ha - what a scary world that might make. More colorful, engaged and stimulating perhaps - but scary, none-the-less

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 7/12/08 at 6:48pm

D2 - it sounds like that was one looonnnnggg dinner Tuesday night.

I hope you are enjoying your last few days in LA.

And DG - I have many conservative friends - they abhor what has happened to the Republican party, and would be considered "Goldwater Republicans" - they nod in agreement when I say that the current Republican party has done more to undermine true conservative ideals than any democrat could.

So long as each party recognizes the right of the other to disagree, then I am fine. I still think, with open minds, that there is a solution to every problem. People have to be willing to work and compromise, and sometimes, that is the problem.

Updated On: 7/12/08 at 06:48 PM

[NYadgal]

Posted: 7/12/08 at 6:49pm

I would love a colorful, engaged and stimulating world! With a dash of pink!

I think all of us in this thread are of the same mind when it comes to the broad term 'tolerant'... I try to challenge myself to remember that true tolerance means moving out of my comfort zone.

[NYadgal]

Posted: 7/12/08 at 6:50pm

I need to get back out to SoCal...

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 7/12/08 at 6:54pm

Yes, you do! And, at some point, I have to get to NY.

[NYadgal]

Posted: 7/12/08 at 6:55pm

Yes, you do!

[NYadgal]

Posted: 7/12/08 at 6:56pm

ok, lovely people... I didn't mean to stop by and 'stir the pot'... I was just stopping by to say hello and wish you all a happy Saturday evening!

For those of you who know him, today is K's birthday. Think happy thoughts for him. Good thoughts out into the universe are always welcome.

[miss pennywise]

Posted: 7/12/08 at 7:03pm

I'm not talking about political views. I'm talking about the "live and let live" attitude that seems to be more "alive" in some places than others. After spending a lot of time in the South this past Spring, I have come to appreciate communities where there is more freedom to be who you are without worrying how others will perceive or treat you. (I understand the political implications inherent in this conversation, but I'm just not focusing on that right nowt.)

As I said before, I try to understand that there are many people whose reality and exposure to the world differs drastically from mine, and I try not to judge them...in fact, I do my best to help them to become more accepting of others, but there's only so much I can do. I always feel that it is better to set a positive example. However, when I have to decide how to spend my precious personal time and who I want my children to be around, I am less likely to gravitate toward people who are vocal about their dislike of "Blacks," "Gays," "Jews" and so forth.

I don't know how articulate I'm being here. Sorry!

[DayDreamer]

Posted: 7/12/08 at 7:06pm

We were having this discussion the other night at drinks: how the gay community wants tolerance, yet is one of the most intolerant, even of other gay individuals/groups.

[miss pennywise]

Posted: 7/12/08 at 7:14pm

Look how difficult it is to TALK about it...even in a group of like-minded friends. You know it's even MORE difficult to DO!!!

As I said before, true and complete tolerance is my "ideal." It's not "reality"; it's my dream. But it's a good one to have.

[vmlinnie]

Posted: 7/12/08 at 7:17pm

DID SOMEONE SAY GUINNESS?

[miss pennywise]

Posted: 7/12/08 at 7:24pm

LS just asked me to play Barbies with him. He set up all this Barbie furniture and put new clothes on all the Barbie dolls. He then handed me what looks like a "pole" that came off of his Barbie castle or something and said, "Here. You be the talking stick."

Should I be offended? I don't even get to be a molded plastic "human"????

[shira's chef]

Posted: 7/12/08 at 9:25pm

Aha, it sounds like LS has quite the creativity! Well, that's the most positive way to look at that situation.

[bdwaygirl]

Posted: 7/12/08 at 11:33pm

Aw, Addy. Happy Birthday to K! Wishing him the best!

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 7/13/08 at 12:23am

The Mama Mia Soundtrack is wonderful to walk to - I was going around my complex, bopping to all of songs. Some folks probably thought I was nuts, but hey, the time flew by!