Cindy Sheehan Sucks- Page 3

[MrMidwest]

Posted: 8/21/05 at 10:59am

Heh.

Posted: 8/21/05 at 11:31am

New York Times-Frank Rich article -August 21, 2005

"Specialist Sheehan was both literally and figuratively an Eagle Scout: a church group leader and honor student whose desire to serve his country drove him to enlist before 9/11, in 2000. He died with six other soldiers on a rescue mission in Sadr City on April 4, 2004, at the age of 24."

This is the man Cindy Sheehan raised. She raised a patriot. She raised a man who believed in serving and defending his country. She instilled in him a love and devotion to his country. And she wants to know why he had to die? What was the noble cause? I think she deserves an answer.


Updated On: 8/21/05 at 11:31 AM

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 8/21/05 at 12:03pm

Well, IF Cindy is anti-Semitic, then I would lose respect for her in just the same way I would lose respect for a gay activist who was racist.

But, I would imagine that whatever she has said was not intended to be an attack on Jewish people. Only because I can imagine her looking at the situation (ignorantly?) as strictly country to country conflicts--and not related to one's religion, etc. For example, some people connect the war on terror to Islam--I don't. Yes, I realize that extremism is involved, but nothing I would ever say about terrorism would be a criticism of the faith. Extremism, yes--but not faith in general.

It's hard to imagine that all of the liberal groups would attach themselves to her if she were being bigoted. Though, Lord knows, there are bigoted liberals.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/21/05 at 12:13pm

I'd like to see the exact quote and source, too.

And if it has anything to do with a Don Feder column, I'll just roll my eyes. (Please, no need for an "On the other hand, Don Feder __________" lecture, Dr. Plum).

[MrMidwest]

Posted: 8/21/05 at 12:19pm

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/08/17.html

Cindy Sheehan denies Israel remarks

On Anderson Cooper 8/16:

COOPER: You were also quoted as saying, "My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. If you get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine, and you'll stop the terrorism." How responsible do you believe Israel is for the amount of terrorism in the world?

SHEEHAN: I didn't say that.

COOPER: You didn't say that? OK.

SHEEHAN: I didn't say that my son died for Israel. I've never said that. I saw somebody wrote that, and it wasn't my words. Those aren't even words that I would say.

I do believe that the Palestinian issue is a hot issue that needs to be solved, and it needs to be more fair and equitable, but I never said my son died for Israel.

COOPER: OK, I'm glad I asked you that. Because, as you know, there's tons of stuff floating around on the Internet on sites of all political persuasions, so I'm glad we had the opportunity to clear that up.

SHEEHAN: And thank you, because those are not my words. It doesn't even sound like me saying that.

COOPER: Well, today, we've received numerous e-mails from viewers who saw that, and said, "Well, she lied. We read online that ABC News confirmed she sent them a letter saying exactly that."

So we contacted ABC News today about it. They said they had received a letter on behalf of Cindy back in March. They said took it seriously enough that they responded to it, but so far they cannot find the actual e-mail, they say. They say they're trying to find it, they're investigating.

Bottom line, ABC News right now does not seem to be confirming this is what Cindy Sheehan wrote to them, so stay tuned. We'll continue to follow.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 8/21/05 at 12:23pm

aha--and, of course, conservatives are running with it Ratheresque because it is quite possibly the ONLY thing that could destroy Sheehan--paint her as a bigot.

Posted: 8/21/05 at 12:24pm

Plum if this is true, and Sheehan never made these comments, we need you to re-join this dicussion. Because even though it was begun by a bored child on summer vacation, it has taken a whole new turn. Particularly with your insertion of the Israeli comment.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/21/05 at 12:24pm

They can't find it?

That's what killed Peter Jennings.

[MrMidwest]

Posted: 8/21/05 at 12:46pm

Dolores Kesterson is another mother who's son died in Iraq who doesn't support the war. Her description of her meeting with the President is pretty disturbing.

http://ustourofduty.org/pages/videoDoloresPrez_high.html

[Gothampc]

Posted: 8/21/05 at 1:07pm

Plum says "Which is reason #5,437 why I hate Bush- his moronic policies regarding Israel only make his own War on Terror more difficult."

Bush has only agreed with what Sharon wants. Bush has said that the Jewish evacuation of Gaza was the right thing to do.

But it is the wrong thing to do! The Palestinians are working with Hammas, a terrorist organization. They have said that they will stop at nothing to see all Jews obliterated from Israel. That is definitely the wrong side to agree with.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/21/05 at 1:28pm

Wow, you must feel really let down by Your President then.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 8/21/05 at 1:57pm

It just sounds incredibly possible that she is being set up with false quotes that she never made. I don't put anything past the Rove machine.

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 8/21/05 at 4:11pm

My my my, I just wanted to comment on a few things.

Pingin said, “I'll agree with you cruel -she's hardly playing the role of a grieving mother.” How callous and cruel to say that. Do you know what the “role” of a grieving mother is? I doubt it. And when you say “role” it makes me belive that you think that she is acting. Everyone grieves in their own way. It isn’t your place to judge. Then you go on to say, “The war is about the soldiers not their political parents”. So, you are saying that their parents are political, but can’t speak out? Or are you just slapping a label on Cindy to make her sound like a politician? The war is about ANYONE who faces loss because of it. Not just the soldiers. And then you continue to blather on, “Again, I just think she's uninteresting.” “She can protest all the wants, but that doesn't mean that I have to care about her or her views just because her son died. As insensitive as that may seem, I just don't understand people's fascination with her.” Well, I’m not sure what it is either, but it has certainly captured YOUR attention. For someone who finds her “uninteresting”, you sure have a lot to say about her.

Cruel says, “I'm not saying she shouldn't protest. I'm saying that she knew, without question, that this kind of attention would have been foisted upon her.” How would she know that? Is she a mind reader? How many other protesters out there have received no attention whatsoever? Many. She had no way of knowing. But good for her.

Anne says, “We're sorry about Ms. Sheehan's son, but the entire nation was attacked on 9-11. This isn't about her personal loss.” Again, they go back and hide behind 9-11. So, no Goth, she didn’t get it right.

Plum, surprised me by saying, “Sheehan's tendency to leap to that conclusion leads me to leap to the conclusion that's she's probably an anti-Semite”

It sounds like you are leaping to conclusions as well.

[Pinguin]

Posted: 8/21/05 at 5:36pm

Heck, I'd rather listen to some of the posters on here speak on TV rather than listen to Cindy Sheehan.

Jrb actor! Get a job in a political organization!

:0)

[Plum]

Posted: 8/21/05 at 5:37pm

TheaterDiva, it's perfectly possible to hate Israel's foreign policy and not hate Israel, or Jews. *waves hands in the air frantically* But like I said, Sheehan's tendency to leap to the conclusion that the Iraq war (heavy emphasis on Iraq) must be because of Israel leads me to leap to the conclusion that she has anti-Semitic tendencies, because I don't know where the heck else she's getting it from.

There are thousands of anti-war people out there who have thought up all kinds of reasons for the origins of the war- oil, Bush wanting to do what his dad didn't, a really stupid neo-con plan to democratize a Middle Eastern country, or whatever. Cindy Sheehan, on the other hand, blames Israel. Gee, I wonder why that is?

If the quote turns out to be a Rove fabrication, mea culpas shall be had. But if it doesn't (and my gut says it won't), I'm not going to pretend it's not there just because she's an anti-war advocate who happens to be getting people's attention. I want the people on my side to be on my side. Simple.
Updated On: 8/21/05 at 05:37 PM

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 8/21/05 at 5:45pm

Karl Rove is a proven liar. I don't think he's going to admit if he did make false statements.

To me, Cindy is merely the last straw before the camel snaps.

And Pingin, I guess this whole Cindy thing is sort of like the Wicked threads, they are there. If you don’t want to read them, don’t.

I guess my bottom line is, if this is the way she wants to grieve, let her. She’s not hurting anyone.

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 8/21/05 at 5:53pm

I guess I totally missed the Jewy thing. I haven't read or heard her make any statement that would be anti-semetic.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 8/22/05 at 2:48pm

There is absolutely no evidence that Cindy Sheehan hates Jews.

[BlueWizard]

Posted: 8/22/05 at 2:54pm

Karl Rove is a proven liar. I don't think he's going to admit if he did make false statements.

Speaking of which, what happened to Fitzgerald's investigation? I thought he'd be handing out those indictments by now. Last month, Valerie Plame was the big story -- what happened?

[Plum]

Posted: 8/22/05 at 3:37pm

I'm sure Fitzgerald is working on it. Better to get all the evidence together than to do things in a half-assed way. Right, Mr. President?

And PalJoey, I'm pretty sure that quote constitutes evidence. It isn't enough to bring on the hellhounds of the Anti-Defamation League, but it's enough to make me suspicious. If she really said those things (and I tend to believe she did), it at least indicates a pretty poor understanding of the very international policy she's criticizing.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 8/22/05 at 3:42pm

Yoiu don't hear much because Fitzgerald has integrity and doesn't allow any leaks, unlike Ken Starr who leaked like an old faucet becuase he was just a tool of Karl Rove and the Republican Noise Machine. When you hear a lot, it's generally because Rove's lawyer is feeding the press with Rove's desperate defense.

According to people who are, as they say, "close to the investigation," the focus shifted over the summer to perjury, and that is how the majority of the indictments will come down. Fitzgerald COULD indict more than half a dozen White House officials, but supposedly he is narrowing down that list to a few he can prosecute thoroughly.

There will be indictments, resignations, convictions and pardons. Meanwhile, gas prices and death tolls will rise and Bush's popularity will plummet further.

Come November, there will, as the old song goes, some changes made. (Hope I said that without violating copyright!)

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 8/24/05 at 9:28am

some follow-up on the sheehan email, anti-semitism and protestations of innocence:
they hacked me, oh wait, no they just added stuff...or something

Updated On: 8/24/05 at 09:28 AM

[RobbO]

Posted: 8/24/05 at 9:36am

wow. i wonder what karl rove would think about that.

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 8/24/05 at 10:08am

Pinguin - "Many people lost their children in this conflict."

And most of them who oppose the war are doing nothing but complaining at home or to friends or on message boards.

"The war is about the soldiers not their political parents, and telling people that her son died for Israel is hardly a tribute to her son."

Saying the war is about the soldiers is one of the most ignorant statements I've ever seen. When our country is involved in a war, then every citizen of this country is involved, whether directly or indirectly. The majority of this country chooses not to be directly involved and to ignore it, but that is their personal choice, it does not change the fact that the war is about all of us and how we are all put in a position to be victims of this war, not just the soldiers who fight on the front lines. Ask any of the families of 9/11 if they are not involved in the Iraq war in some way.

"How exciting and original."

Actually, the protest of camping out at Bush's ranch in Crawford in protest actually is more original and exciting than the standard peaceful ineffective protests we've witnessed thus far. Sheehan has accomplished one major thing and that is she has gotten national attention. Any anti-war protest with grieving family members of dead soldiers uses exploitation to a degree, but it does not discount the family's grief or their passion in any way.

Plum - "kind of like 19th-century Americans believed in a Manifest Destiny to settle the North American continent all the way to the Pacific coast, Indians be damned"

Except that Europeans killed off three times more Native Americans than American settlers, who had the idea ingrained in them of imperialist colonization from their original European countries.

"And Sheehan's tendency to leap to that conclusion leads me to leap to the conclusion that's she's probably an anti-Semite."

But that would be you leaping to conclusions, not anything based on fact. As jrb pointed out, it is possible to disagree with Israel's actions and not be an anti-Semite.

gothampc - "As usual, Ann Coulter gets it right."

Anyone who believes that is sick, racist, prejudiced, and cruel. Ann Coulter is nothing but a vile publicity whore who places more value in shock and money than citizens of this country. Her comments on morality and trolling for publicity is so ironic, it's funny. Too bad she'll never figure it out.

Updated On: 8/24/05 at 10:08 AM

[DBillyP]

Posted: 8/24/05 at 10:34am

For those of you who think she is exploiting her son, have you met her? Have you spoken with her directly?

I am just curious, because that would seem the only way to make a truly informed judgment about her actions.