Discussion about prop 8 on The View- Page 2

[Calvin]

Posted: 11/7/08 at 5:01pm

Poorly wigged hypocrite. Nice.

Though, for the record, I do not want her to die.

[StockardFan]

Posted: 11/7/08 at 5:30pm

Sure ya, don't Calvin........

We all know you want the entire cast (or whatever you'd call them) to keel over.

[Calvin]

Posted: 11/7/08 at 5:37pm

All part of my plan to get Debbie Matenopolous reinstated.

[StockardFan]

Posted: 11/7/08 at 5:37pm

LOL!

[MrMidwest]

Posted: 11/7/08 at 5:40pm

Here's the segment from today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lfAVEJYmfY

[Elphaba]

Posted: 11/7/08 at 6:49pm

this is really going to get ugly....and truly I believe only another Stonewall will start to solve it.

There will be blood spilled, I truly believe this. When to we say "screw this crap" and stand up and fight?

[MrMidwest]

Posted: 11/10/08 at 11:18am

They just had another discussion about it and clarified some things. Apparently both Ellen and GLAAD called the show with concerns about the discussion on Friday.

After Whoopi did some fact checking, Sherri went on a spiel about how voting for prop 8 isn't bigotry because it's "a spiritual matter" to some people.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/10/08 at 11:33am

On Friday they talked about how they'd have to teach gay marriage in school. Now, I've been out of school for a while, but I have no recollection of any lesson plans that ever dealt with marriage? And I went to public shchool!

Elph - last week a lot of people (including me) said screw this crap. I think right now it's a matter of mobilization and figuring just exactly what we're all trying acheive.

[Auggie27]

Posted: 11/10/08 at 11:35am

Sherry is entitled to feeling as "spriitual" as she chooses. But this is an African-American stand-up comic. What world does she function in? Where "Christian beliefs" come before rights? What is her comic take on the world about? Especially as a black woman. She was also in a quandry about which Presidentital candidate to vote for -- for a while leaning toward Palin because they are both parents of special needs children. It's bizarre to me, because the GOP has zero track record funding special programs, yet Sherri would vote for Palin -- in the number 2 job -- simply because she "understands" the special needs child? Shepard seems incapable of holding two thoughts in her head at the same time. As much as I enjoy her, her ignorance and bigotry are infuriating, too.

[doodlenyc]

Posted: 11/10/08 at 11:38am

Was Shepherd invited to Ellen's wedding?

[MrMidwest]

Posted: 11/10/08 at 11:41am

Elisabeth said that 62% of voters in Cali voted for prop 8. Wasn't it 52%?

Elisabeth also brought up the story about the priest in Sweden being jailed for not performing a gay marriage, because everyone knows the laws in Sweden are practically identical to the ones we have here in the U.S.

[opiv]

Posted: 11/10/08 at 2:01pm

I guess Elisabeth is referring to the vote in 2000.

And I believe she just used the argument that, technically, gay people CAN get married, because no person in the US is denied the right to marry. Awesome! Problem solved.

[BroomstickBoy]

Posted: 11/10/08 at 2:01pm

"After Whoopi did some fact checking, Sherri went on a spiel about how voting for prop 8 isn't bigotry because it's 'a spiritual matter' to some people."

No, dummy, it's a RELIGIOUS matter to some people.

Voting against someone else's civil rights IS bigotry. Spirituality has nothing to do with equality. I guess if it was against the black folk she'd jack up the BS to Jesus more so than she does now.

Let the woman speak her mind and view all she wants. But put someone in to tell her to say something smart!

No, I won't say shut her up. Tell her to say something smart and watch her wig explode.

[MrMidwest]

Posted: 11/10/08 at 5:25pm

Here's the discussion from today.

Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwp_8wcWl38
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3BLwGRusNQ

Updated On: 11/10/08 at 05:25 PM

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/10/08 at 8:04pm

I'm so effing sick of the bs about teaching it in schools. You know what? They started calling me a fag when I was about 7 years old. It's not like kids don't know what gay is. And this was more than twenty years ago. No one taught us the word in school. No one told us what fags did. But we all knew.

Whoopi made an excellent point about how it may not be a matter of how the parents want kids to find out about gay marriage, since they could very well be in class with kids who had gay parents.

I'm sick of the hypocrisy. Elisabeth and Sherri have become a microcosm of everything we need to be rallying against. The divorcee who had "more abortions than [could] count" stressing the importance of these bible passages about marriage that she wholeheartedly believes in, but couldn't quote a single one. And there's Bessie Cross Eyes, whining about how it's just about how marriage is "defined." They know nothing, and yet these are the people we are expected to kowtow to. It is because of these people that we are told that we want too much, too fast, too soon. Whoopi represents someone sitting there with laws and facts, and the two of them just dance around their "spiritual" and "values" talk and WE as a people are supposed to "respect" this as we struggle.

What the hell is wrong with this country?
Updated On: 11/10/08 at 08:04 PM

[DAME]

Posted: 11/10/08 at 8:09pm

PRG .. You are right on the money.

[MrMidwest]

Posted: 11/10/08 at 8:12pm

I can't believe Elisabeth pulled out the "people do have the right to marry, just not to marry someone of the same sex" argument.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/10/08 at 8:49pm

I can't believe Sherri Shepherd had four fetuses vacuumed out of her vagina and thinks she has any right to pass judgment on anyone else.

[MrMidwest]

Posted: 11/10/08 at 9:20pm

Do you mind if I use that elsewhere?

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/10/08 at 9:22pm

Absolutely not. Use it with impunity.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/12/08 at 10:18am

Okay, so yesterday on The View Elisabeth mentioned something about some nun teacher of hers teaching about the fires of hell when she was a kid. And all I could think was that you have the nerve to worry that a child finding out that sometimes two men (or two women) grow up and fall in love and want to marry is somehow more detrimental to a child's psyche than being told that an errant impure thought could send you into the eternal fire?

[Sister George]

Posted: 11/12/08 at 11:13am

'Elisabeth also brought up the story about the priest in Sweden being jailed for not performing a gay marriage, because everyone knows the laws in Sweden are practically identical to the ones we have here in the U.S.'


I'm sure this has been bought up elsewhere but Elisabeth was totally wrong about the Swedish priest. He was not jailed for refusing to perform gay marriage instead he was jailed for inciting hatred against homosexuals under Swedish hate laws for preaching that homosexuals were "a deep cancer tumour on all of society" and that gays were more likely than other people to rape children and animals.

He was sentenced to 1 month imprisonment but was released on appeal as the Swedish Supreme Court said his sermon was protected by freedom of speech and religion.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4477502.stm

[blueroses]

Posted: 11/12/08 at 11:14am

MrMidwest, I also noticed how Elisabeth kept saying that "62%" of the people voted yes on Prop 8. She repeated this figure several times when it was 52%. Did she just have the percentage wrong or, was she aware that it was 52% and saying 62% on purpose, hoping no one would notice?

There was so much ignorance at that table my head was spinning. Was Sherri actually scared that her preacher could be jailed for being against gay marriage? Elisabeth kept mentioning some jailed priest in Sweden, and some other nonsense about how the "people" have had their say and the constitution is being decided by the people (WTF?!), which is "how it should be." Are we to now rewrite the constitution to suit someone's religious agenda?

Sherri and Elisabeth are painting this as an attack against religion--which is preposterous, as this will have NO bearing on what is taught or practiced in a place of worship--when it is an attack on civil and human rights. Is there no one on that panel who can point that out to them?

And I know I've said it a million times, but we're talking about the same blindly ignorant woman (Hasselbeck) who equated gay marriage with people marrying inanimate objects and animals not all that long ago. I WISH someone would on that panel would bring that up.





Updated On: 11/12/08 at 11:14 AM

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/12/08 at 11:35am

Are we to now rewrite the constitution to suit someone's religious agenda?

It would seem so. Any state that has anti-gay marriage laws into its constitution would be doing just that, if you ask me.

The prop 8 day had me so steaming pissed that I wanted to contact Whoopi, but to the best of my searching, you only only leave brief, general messages on their website. I guess I'll have to hand write it.

Sherri and Elisabeth are painting this as an attack against religion--which is preposterous, as this will have NO bearing on what is taught or practiced in a place of worship--when it is an attack on civil and human rights. Is there no one on that panel who can point that out to them?

This is the simple logic that a majority of Americans simply choose to ignore.

[blueroses]

Posted: 11/12/08 at 11:44am

You know, Elisabeth is worse than blindly ignorant. I kind of feel bad for people who don't know any better. What she is is WILLFULLY ignorant. When the truth doesn't stack up against her ideology, she ignores it. She spins it. She rewrites it and lies. And, really, how can you excuse that? Like everyone else, she certainly has a right to her own opinions, but she doesn't have a right to her own set of facts.

Updated On: 11/12/08 at 11:44 AM