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#50don't debate the point
Posted: 6/15/06 at 6:53pm
but papa--
It's the right (esp. religious right) that over and over demonizes gays; Bush's transparent Constitutional amendment, for example, is just such demonization, and just such an attempt to "fix the problem" at the Federal level.
How are gays supposed to react? What are we supposed to do? It's not like we haven't been over and over this stuff. And let's face it: it took acts of violence on both sides to advance the civil rights of blacks (no, I don't want that, but I can see how some are driven to it).
Updated On: 6/15/06 at 06:53 PM
#51don't debate the point
Posted: 6/15/06 at 6:54pm
the brick wall hasn't learned the lines you'd like to hear
what does that even mean? i'd just like a modicum of coherence whatever the position being taken happens to be.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#52don't debate the point
Posted: 6/15/06 at 7:01pm
i'm sorry. I can't hear u. i'm a brick wall.
but if I could, I would tell u that was an allusion to evita. but instead of acknowledging that maybe u missed something, u recklessly attempt to insult me.
was that specific enough for u?
#53don't debate the point
Posted: 6/15/06 at 7:12pm
gym, i understand that. but i think as long as the agenda is being driven in a top down model, meaning that the debate is taking place at a national level where people are only getting soundbites and then only the juiciest and most divisive from both sides, that it'll continue to bog down. i think that in order to change people's minds the debate needs to take place in a civil manner at the local level. i mean does it accomplish anything to say, "they're f***ing bigots?" sure they are, but they're bigots with votes and the only way to change those votes is to educate them.
remember, the civil rights movement was in great part about education. educating both those who'd never had rights and those who didn't think they should have them. i think more emphasis on the specific righs that are being denied to same sex couples, in a non-confrontational manner would go a long way towards ratcheting down the rhetoric.
i mean let's look at this realistically. some folks are never gonna change. but the great majority of them are just scared and they are not even sure what they are scared of. if i had a buttload of money to spend on this, i'd fund education and activist groups to find same sex couples in communities and promote them. show the people that they are not destroying anything and that they are in fact just contributing members of society just like them.
i know that some folks feel that we've talked this to death and it's time for action. well, look at the approval numbers for same sex marriage every time someone takes some big public action. they plummet. but then look at connecticut. they enacted civil unions last year and you really haven't heard a peep about it. because they allowed everyone to be heard and educated people about the issues in a civil manner.
will it work everywhere, no, probably not. but some progress is better than none. isn't it?
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#54don't debate the point
Posted: 6/15/06 at 7:23pm
"if i had a buttload of money"
Ok
Now you made me laugh...
Seriously, though, I agree with most of what you say; sometimes, as I'm sure you can imagine, I get tired of the fight, and get a "**** it" attitude.
i do think most of the opposition comes from fear, and from somehow picturing gays as essentially "other" than they are; the joke, of course, is that there is no one "gay" anymore than there is one "straight" prototype. And I know I'm gonna get **** for this, but until professional gays, people with careers, homes, educations, and basic values, step up to the leadership of the gay movements, many will continue to see us as weird. I believe in rights for all--drag queens, dykes on bikes, trannies, muscle daddies--but as long as these are what the face of the gay movement is, people are gonna be afraid.
Most of us, like it or not, are probably closer to straight folks than we are to these types. Was it on here that I read a definition of "gay lifestyle:" something like "get up. have breakfast. go to work. work out. come home .eat dinner. watch tv. go to bed." LOL
Updated On: 6/15/06 at 07:23 PM
#55don't debate the point
Posted: 6/15/06 at 7:27pmfor the record, the brick wall really enjoyed ur last post on how to make a difference on gay issues. the brick wall never said he didn't admire many of ur views on matters. just ur views on shrubya.
#58don't debate the point
Posted: 6/15/06 at 7:55pm
Hmmm.."brick pig"
I like that
Yet another sub-category of gay life.
And for the record...I have kissed some bricks.
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