Fidel Castro Has Died- Page 3
Fidel Castro Has Died
#50Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/28/16 at 5:29pm
"And South Florida, with all due respect, I don't think there's anything complicated about a tyrant who flagrantly disregarded human rights and singlehandedly destroyed Cuba's economy. He was a villain and the world is better off without him."
Concierge, again the life of this guy is complicated, he did flagrantly deny civil rights, he was a dictator, he did hundreds if not more despicable acts. He also was a person of wealth who fought for something he believed in, not to get rich, not for ****s and giggles, and his life is too complicated to discuss on these boards
Stephanatic
#51Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/28/16 at 5:46pm
South Florida said: " the life of this guy is complicated, he did flagrantly deny civil rights, he was a dictator, he did hundreds if not more despicable acts. He also was a person of wealth who fought for something he believed in, not to get rich, not for ****s and giggles, and his life is too complicated to discuss on these boards
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"Its not complicated at all. He executed thousands of political dissidents and separated thousands of families. nothing else matters
When They Go Low, I Go High
#52Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/28/16 at 6:21pm
South Florida,
Why exactly is Fidel Castro's life too complicated to discuss here? I've always held mixed views about him. On the one hand, I'm not convinced that he was any worse than his predecessor Fulgencio Batista. And in that connection, he did rid the island of some elite Cubans who either exploited less fortunate Cubans or were hellbent on giving away the island's resources to mafia-backed foreign investors for their own personal gain. On the other hand, the revolution became all about Fidel. He quickly morphed from liberator to typical strongman. He also picked the wrong side in the Cold War but that was an easy mistake considering how allies switched allegiances during the two world wars beforehand.
On balance, he was a failure as a national leader who outlived his utility for a revolution that most of the world quit caring about 30 years ago right along with hippie communes. In other words, Syria is the new Cuba. And Raul Castro isn't going to break the Internet any time soon.
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
#53Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/28/16 at 6:33pm
Its not complicated at all. He executed thousands of political dissidents and separated thousands of families. nothing else matters
Except what he was wearing (probably Hilfiger). That's super important. Fashion means you can ignore all the bad stuff.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#54Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/28/16 at 6:45pm
"Its not complicated at all. He executed thousands of political dissidents and separated thousands of families. nothing else matters.
Petrolysis, I think of your name as a social disease. Javero comes close to making sense. He was a bad guy. How many other bad guys do we revere, and who is to decide who were the good guys and the bad guys? You?
Stephanatic
BroadwayConcierge
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/24/15
#55Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/28/16 at 7:15pm
Oh my God, South Florida, why are you so reverential to this man? You ask who decides who's good and bad... mass civilian executions and imprisonments = categorically bad. Not up for debate. Not "too complicated to discuss." BAD.
#56Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/28/16 at 7:26pm
To get into this discussion you need to know the history of Cuba, where he sprang up from, the people who were in power before him, do you really think we can engage on something in here that resembles some kind of informative forum? Let's just stop, and admit that the death of this old, no longer relevant man, is not close in scope to the catastrophe that the US has elected this piece of s*** to be our voice, you stupid moron.
Stephanatic
BroadwayConcierge
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/24/15
#57Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/28/16 at 7:35pm
Nah, I'm pretty confident Donald J. Trump isn't as bad as a mass murderer. But what do I know? Liberal dramatics always take precedence to real facts, and I'm just a "stupid moron" 
Updated On: 11/28/16 at 07:35 PM
#58Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/28/16 at 7:36pm
BroadwayConcierge said: "Oh my God, South Florida, why are you so reverential to this man? You ask who decides who's good and bad... mass civilian executions and imprisonments = categorically bad. Not up for debate. Not "too complicated to discuss." BAD.
Noting in history is ever as black or white as that.
#59Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/28/16 at 7:49pm
South Florida,
Are my eyes deceiving me or did you just equate the free & open election of Donald Trump to the coup d'etat of Fidel Castro?
Since we've opened this pandora's box, I gotta ask you...how was Fidel Castro's human rights record better than that of his predecessor Fulgencio Batista? It does sadden me to have to admit to the US's role in the ascent of several Cuban tyrants who came before Castro. The world was still recovering from two world wars and US leadership had domino theory on the brain. Back then, communism was more than a classroom exercise...for many it was a matter of life and death.
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
#60Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/28/16 at 8:35pm
Who's designing his outfit for the viewing? Put aside your stupid politics for a minute and focus on his clothes, for God's sake. Nobody cares what he did if he looks stunning. I just hope Melania is there to add some beauty and deliver someone else's eulogy. That'll finally give the country some CLASS.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
luvcaroline
Broadway Star Joined: 10/19/05
#61Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/28/16 at 8:43pm
DAME said: "Many who find themselves praising him as El Comandante are simply condoning one of the worst periods of human right violations in recent History after the Holocaust. Stop and think about the millions of lives and families separated and decimated by the pure arrogance of one man whom at the end all he could boast about was how no one took him out. No legacy. No contribution to the development of humankind. His death marks the beginning of healing for millions.
Dame said it best on the first page of this thread. This tyrant's atrocities are well known and are not up for debate. It's simple: a horrible man has died and we should rejoice. Period.
#62Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/28/16 at 8:47pm
ok Mister Matt...you're pouring it on thick dontcha think?
btw...I've received an advance copy of Melania's eulogy for Fidel Castro. She toiled through the night to come up with just the right words. It reads...
I’m going to say some stories. Maybe some of them you know; maybe some of them you don’t. I wrote ’em down because I didn’t want to miss anything. The song “I Will Always Love You” almost wasn’t. It wasn’t supposed to be in the movie.
Wait a minute, Melania. Those words bear more than a striking resemblance to a eulogy for a popular celebrity. No bish, no.
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Updated On: 11/28/16 at 08:47 PM
#63Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/28/16 at 11:21pm
No, laying it on thick would be repeatedly posting pictures of him and gushing over how fierce he looks and simply pooh-poohing anything negative about him because bad deeds shouldn't keep you from admiring and idolizing a person. Not when they're pretty! Beauty is all it takes to be a positive role model. Everybody knows that.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#64Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/29/16 at 8:59am
Interesting Mr Matt how you have way worst things to say about Melania Trump whose only crime is marrying a Horrible Man. Some say the same about Hillary. Than the New Worlds Stalin who executed thousands who simple disagreed with him and desrroyed his country.
When They Go Low, I Go High
#65Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/29/16 at 9:34am
Petra,
It's called Selective Indignation Syndrome (SIS). Funny you should mention Stalin in the context of Castro. I'm just now getting over a cold after spending a couple of days basically in bed streaming my favorite WW2 documentaries. It amazes me how Franklin D. Roosevelt and Winston Churchill were savvy & flexible enough to tolerate Joseph Stalin in order to deal with Hilter's Third Reich. That was clearly an example of enemy-of-my-enemy.
I've often wondered how much the Nazi & Soviet occupation of Poland influenced Castro's decision-making in Cuba. I'm not a fan of his but acknowledge that he was a very astute lawyer who was well in tune with world events prior to becoming a malevolent dictator for life. He would go on to visit Poland and write about the nation several times. We can say or write what we like about Fidel Castro but he did help Cuba retain its sovereignty while the super powers were busy carving up the globe. And sadly, in the wake of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and later the Central American crisis, the US lost much of its moral high ground in the international arena.
After viewing those WW2 documentaries, I'm left with three lingering questions: (1) is it possible for a Hilter or Stalin or Mussolini or Franco to emerge again, (2) what is the free world willing to do to stamp out ISIS/ISIL, and (3): why haven't the 11 million Cubans toppled the Castro regime?
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
jb19662
Chorus Member Joined: 6/30/16
#66Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/29/16 at 10:18am
Petralicious said: "Interesting Mr Matt how you have way worst things to say about Melania Trump whose only crime is marrying a Horrible Man. Some say the same about Hillary. Than the New Worlds Stalin who executed thousands who simple disagreed with him and desrroyed his country.
This reads like it was written by a drunk person, but who'd be drunk before 9am? Oh right. A Russian.
Updated On: 11/29/16 at 10:18 AM
#67Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/29/16 at 10:34am
Interesting Mr Matt how you have way worst things to say about Melania Trump whose only crime is marrying a Horrible Man. Some say the same about Hillary. Than the New Worlds Stalin who executed thousands who simple disagreed with him and desrroyed his country.
It's called Selective Indignation Syndrome (SIS).
Really? That's what you think it is?
point <-------------------------(appr. 25,000 km)------------------------------> you guys
I wonder if we can bring those closer together somehow.
Okay yeah, people say he did some bad stuff and whatnot, but you can't deny that his look was so ICONIC.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#68Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/29/16 at 10:38am
Mr Matt, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that is just a bad joke.
When They Go Low, I Go High
Updated On: 11/29/16 at 10:38 AM
#69Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/29/16 at 10:46am
What's specifically so bad about it? I don't understand your objection. Would you describe it as "grotesque", perhaps?
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#70Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/29/16 at 11:02am
Mister Matt,
I'm having trouble following your line of thought which is odd considering that your posts are usually rather cogent. At no point did I ever mention Trump's appearance. The thread to which you allude is all about Melania. This is not an indictment but you've taken a silly thread and projected onto the legacy of a polarizing national leader who has nothing to do with the Trump clan.
Granted, it was somewhat flippant but this board could use some levity after HRC had her azz handed to her a few weeks ago. I'm as disappointed as the next Hillary supporter. But, Trump won and to the victor goes the spoils. I can't compel others to despise him or everyone associated with him simply because I'm not a fan.
Also, it helps to apply some perspective. There have been shouts of "fascism" from near and far since the election. You'd think that Mussolini rolled into town. We still have two relatively viable major parties. And, much of what the devout Capitalist Trump has espoused so far seems antithetical to what I consider the fundamental tenets of fascism. I could be wrong though. You are old enough to remember at least the after-effects of the battles across the globe over the "ism's". I think we're being generous in our assessment of Trump if we think he's guided by anything other than greed.
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
#71Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/29/16 at 11:47am
I'm having trouble following your line of thought which is odd considering that your posts are usually rather cogent.
I'm sorry you have trouble following it?
At no point did I ever mention Trump's appearance.
Neither did I!
The thread to which you allude is all about Melania.
Oh...I get what you're saying. You think my point should require a more direct and obvious correlation in order to be properly understood. Got it! I'll try and focus on the clothing of his loving and stalwart supporters because they are completely unrelated to politics.
Love the simple graphic quality of that t-shirt on Dalia de Soto Valle! She's so HIP and NOW. I wonder if she sold the sunglasses on ebay.
This is not an indictment but you've taken a silly thread and projected onto the legacy of a polarizing national leader who has nothing to do with the Trump clan.
You're absolutely right. What would a "polarizing national leader" have to do with the Trump clan? How absurd!
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#72Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/29/16 at 12:06pm
You really parsed the words of my previous post. I admire your quick wit, Mister Matt.
That aside, let's split hairs, shall we. Castro is a former national leader whose legacy is within the ambit of this particular thread. Trump is a President-elect who has no power or authority presently to operate on behalf of the US government. Thus, I made no reference to Trump in connection with national leadership.
I too like Dalia's sunglasses. Whenever she's ready for a upgrade I highly recommend the collection at the link below.
Ivanka Trump Eyewear is Back and Better Than Ever
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#73Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/29/16 at 1:30pm
She could rock these Ivanka shades... but should really ask Ivanka for Hair advice...
When They Go Low, I Go High
#74Fidel Castro Has Died
Posted: 11/29/16 at 2:03pm
You can split hairs if you like. I'm going to return to my actual point and abandon the cute side-step of appeasement:
Which Fidel is HOTTER:
Beard?
No beard?
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
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