For Those Who Feel The Need To Share All of Their Banal Details Part 3- Page 143

[SweetQintheLights]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 8:52pm

This is a banal thread- therefore anything can be posted. If you don't feel like reading it, skip over it. It may be a bit disturbing. That is a warning.
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In class we watched female circumcision. We watched it BEING DONE- performed. No sanitary conditions, using a knife to cut the clitoris out. When the procedure is done and the girl is tied up to stop the bleeding, they do a tribal dance for becomming a woman. I'm not one who is usually squeamish. In high school I watched child-birth- no problem. This, I really was disturbed...
The girls (usually between 5-8 years of age) lay on a clay, non-sanitary ground in African where a "circumcision doctor"- (who really is nomore than another tribal-woman)takes a knife and takes out the clitoris which is thrown into the water for G/d.

Women are shunned if they are not circumsized. There was a guy with 3 wives and he wanted another (specific) one but he wouldn't accept her until she got circumsized
I mean, I guess it's natural/ritual for them. I'm sure some of the things we do here (in the US) they consider weird...(well, I consider a lot in the US weird too but that's another story)
It's not even they told us the story they showed very specific images. It's a college class so we all took the topic maturely even though it was quite anxiety producing (especially for the girls.)

At some really graphic points, the girls looked away while the guys stared at the TV...

Edit: Not that it matter but this was a documentary/made for class kind of video.

Updated On: 7/5/06 at 08:52 PM

[jlc6314]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 8:55pm

That's pretty disturbing, SweetQ.

I just fell asleep for 3 hours.

[xoxRogue]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 9:22pm

Before I went to the mall, I went to the Chiropractor's and had an adjustment. I have never heard so many cracks in my neck/back...or from anyone!

And my family, my other best friend, and I are going to see Sweeney tomorrow. Whooot! Good thing we have enough IDs.

[GirlforTartaglia]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 9:22pm

Q - again, that's a slightly disturbing video. I'm glad you enjoyed it . hehe.

[SweetQintheLights]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 9:27pm

Girl, I think we may have a slightly different definition of the word enjoy

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 10:01pm

It's sad that you're obviously more freaked out about how unsanitary and primitive it was than the fact that it's completely unethical.

insomniak, it could be worse. You could have my mom, heh.

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[SweetQintheLights]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 10:13pm

Skittles, is there ANYTHING I say (or would say) that you wouldn't argue with?

If other people wrote the posts I did, would you jump down their backs?

All your responses to me have been rude, pissy, annoying and uncalled for. Just because you're on the computer does not give you the right to be mean. I know people who have met you say you are very nice but agree that you have an attitude here on BWW- what is up with that?


"It's sad that you're obviously more freaked out about how unsanitary and primitive it was than the fact that it's completely unethical."


Not that I should really be responding since all I get are nasty responces but, how do you know it's unethical in THEIR society?

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[CanadianSnowbird]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 10:19pm

So does that make raping baby girls to "cure" AIDs ethical? Or child labour? Or sending children to be wed and become mothers before their physically capable of doing so and then shunning from their society?

There are a lot of problems in Africa and to simply shrug it off by saying "to each his own" is wrong. It's a human rights violation. These girls have no say in what goes on with their bodies.

This is an open board, you post a comment like that expect to get responses. Not everyone here is going to agree with you, get used to it.

[xM3L24x]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 10:24pm

"Before I went to the mall, I went to the Chiropractor's and had an adjustment. I have never heard so many cracks in my neck/back...or from anyone!"
I need to go to the chiropractor so badly. My back has been killing me for weeks.

[SweetQintheLights]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 10:24pm

I don't expect everyone to agree with me.

However, the majority of the posts I make are condemned by skittles. This was a post I made of what I watched in class and how I felt about it. You can express your opinion and what you believe without making it sound like what I believe it wrong.(ie: It's sad that you're obviously more freaked out about how....)

It's not the fact that it's unethical in our eyes, it's the fact that we can't see the situation from their perspective because we aren't them"

[soapguy17]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 10:27pm

edit: Q beat me to it.

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[CanadianSnowbird]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 10:28pm

But you're justifying what their doing, instead of coming up with a solution to stop this. Yes our countries are better off but that means we should be helping out those in need and not brushing them aside because their society is different.

[xM3L24x]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 10:29pm

How do you know that SweetQ doesn't find it unethical? She never said that she thought it was.

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 10:35pm

If other people wrote the posts I did, would you jump down their backs?
If a post is ignorant, I'll respond to it how I see fit; I have a low tolerance for stupidity. But when both of your posts on this HIGHLY controversial and well-known subject include "non-sanitary" and make no mention of the ACTUAL problems with clitorectomies, it IS pathetic, in my opinion. Why are you making it out like I have some personal vengence against you instead of considering that maybe you deserve some of it?

The World Medical Association, the World Health Organization, and many other major health care groups have decided it's unethical- including MANY Africans and especially women that have unwillingly gone through this. Forced mutilation of children and/or sexual organs shouldn't be acceptable or ethical in ANY society. Considering this video was your first exposure to the practice (which is also sad, considering you're older than me) maybe you should attempt learning more about it before posting it on the board and freaking out because someone dares disagree with you.

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[CanadianSnowbird]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 10:38pm

Mel if she thought that, she wouldn't need you to point it out for her. Throughout SweetQ's arguments she's had plenty of opportunity to give her opinion on it's ethics, but she skirts around the issue by saying it's a different society. If she did give an argument that I agreed with, or could understand her point, then I wouldn't be debating her on it.

[xoxRogue]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 10:38pm

I need to go to the chiropractor so badly. My back has been killing me for weeks.

He was massaging my neck at first and was explaining something to me...and I really wasn't paying attention until he stopped. XD

You should go. They make you feel better. I know how it feels to have your back in so much pain, so I hope that it will feel better soon.

[xM3L24x]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 10:43pm

Yes, but I was referring to her original post. When orangeskittles had said that it was sad that she's more freaked out about it being unsanitary than unethical. In SweetQ's original post, she never once said she thought it was okay to do clitorectomies.

Thanks, Rogue . It probably didn't help that I slept on hardwood floor at my friends house yesterday lol.

[SweetQintheLights]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 10:44pm

Just because I mentioned that it is "unsanitary" doesn't mean I'm not concerned that it's unethical.

I wrote what I felt about the movie. Simple. I didn't want the discussion to turn into something of this magnitude, and that's why I didn't bring up anything about whether or not I believed it was unethical.

You, on the other hand, seem to want to make something I wrote like such a HUGE deal. Ok, so it is a huge deal but it should not stem from what I wrote.
I purposely avoided the topic because I knew it could get out of hand and yet, you feel the need to bring it up (relating to my post)

[soapguy17]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 10:46pm

Q, this is were you say. "You don't agree with me, and that's okay" Or you'll be up the entire night. There's more fun things to do. . . .Like eat cake.

[CanadianSnowbird]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 10:50pm

Personally I think that arguement is weak, but whatever. By leaving out that you thought it was unethical makes it seem as if your most imporant beef with it was that it was unsanitary. Wasn't the ethics of the issue the whole reason you watched it in class? If you didn't want it to become a large conversation, you shouldn't have posted it. It's an important issue, you can't just post and hope everyone ignores you on it.

[sweetestsiren]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 10:51pm

SweetQ, you don't believe that some acts are immoral regardless of varying cultural norms? I know that a lot of people feel that way, but I emphatically don't -- sometimes, despite that something is a cultural norm for a group of people, it is absolutely something that they are in the wrong for doing, and hopefully they will ultimately progress in a direction that doesn't include harming its own people. I'm not jumping on you at all, I just very much disagree that, "You're just not looking at it from the perspective of their culture" will ever justify something as brutal as the practice of clitorectomies.

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 10:55pm

If you didn't want to have a discussion about it, you shouldn't have brought up a highly controversial subject on a message board. If you don't want anyone to respond to your opinions, put them on a blog or personal journal instead.

[xM3L24x]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 10:58pm

I don't think it's fair to make assumptions out of things she did not say.

[soapguy17]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 10:59pm

*offers Q cake*

[SweetQintheLights]

Posted: 7/5/06 at 11:00pm

I didn't expect for people to ignore it. On the other hand, I didn't expect people to make a huge deal out of it like it has become.

We watched the video to see and understand Cultural differeces/Ideas. To learn about ACCEPTANCE! That is, to be ok with what others do and feel. It does not mean you have to agree.
Agree to disagree. Ever hear of it?

I'm not saying it's ethical. I TRIED to avoid the topic because some people on here feel the need to critisize everything they possibly can.
And, it happened- without even having to start the fire.