Gay Catholics Denied Communion?

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 2:04pm

If this were not so pathetic it would be funny. Why do Gay Catholics keep butting their heads against this wall. THEY DON'T WANT YOU AS PART OF THEIR PRIVATE CLUB! Start your own. As a former Catholic I will never understand the need to be accepted by a group that keeps kicking me in the stomach.
"Sure, you can be Gay, just don't have sex."
"No, you can not have an abortion, but don't you dare use birth controll, either."
"Sure, you can be a pedophile, just leave the alter boys alone."



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[MasterLcZ]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 2:13pm

I remember ages ago when our late unlamented Cardinal O'Connor banned the Gay Catholic group DIGNITY from meeting in a church basement one night every other week.

He made it clear that The Church had no use for gay men & Women that WANTED to remain good Catholics while not denying thier sexuality.

DIGNITY then moved...to an Episcopal church study room.

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 3:02pm

Hmm, keeping with a theme...maybe the Lord does not condone discrimination or hypocrisy and has decided to take back a few of his houses!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040525/ap_on_re_us/church_closings_4http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040525/ap_on_re_us/church_closings_4>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040525/ap_on_re_us/church_closings_4

Updated On: 5/25/04 at 03:02 PM

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 3:06pm

SueLeenGay - I agree completely. Do gay Catholics feel that Catholicism is the ONLY form of Christianity they can accept? It's not like being denied communion is unlawful. While I don't agree with them, the church may do as it pleases. When it comes to zealous Christians, trying to force a change in opinion is about as productive as trying to force an ice cube to be a butterfly.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 3:15pm

i blame this all on the removal of the communion rail and the taking of communion in the hand, m'self. it was a lot harder to complain about who was getting communion when everyone was on their knees with their tongues out.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 3:24pm

One tab of Orange Sunshine and it is simple to make an ice cube into a butterfly.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 3:25pm

amen.

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 3:30pm

Do those churches still exist? I thought they closed in the late 70s. Why do I suddenly feel like singing "Sodomy"?

Updated On: 5/25/04 at 03:30 PM

[SueleenGay]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 3:34pm

Or "Pederasty?" Why do these words sound so nasty?

[mominator]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 3:43pm

As another former catholic (My husband and I call it recovering)
We get to the brink of going back then a bishop or the Pope says or does something so stupid, that we just shake our heads and say we can't go back. This last time was just this past Holy Thursday, the newly installed bishop of Boston REFUSED to wash the feet of women, as in the tradition of keeping his humility. While all his predecesors did. The Pope has already condemed sexism as a sin, but still women can't be priests because they are women! Sorry for the rant but after 17 years of Catholic education its a bug up my butt! Too Catholic to be Protestant, too Protestant to be Catholic.
B
I am really sorry about the rant. (Good Catholic guilt!)

Updated On: 5/25/04 at 03:43 PM

[Dollypop]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 3:47pm

First off, let me say that I am a Catholic because I love the liturgies and the music that are part of the Church.

Yes, I am gay and I have NEVER had a problem being a gay Catholic. I am honest in the confessional and open with my sexuality at church functions. No priest has ever denied my Communion. In fact, I am a Eucharistic Minister and bring Communion to shut-ins and to those in the local hospital. My local parish even has a prayer group for gays and lesbians. I led this group for a while.

I love the Catholic Church, but please remember that the Church is its people. The leaders of the Catholic Church are a myopic group who are completely out-of-touch with the realities of life.

[iflitifloat]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 4:12pm

But certainly, d.p., you recognize that your experience is more the exception than the rule?

[NuggetMonkeys]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 4:32pm

bigots need to die.
-d.b.j-

[Dollypop]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 5:43pm

No. I don't think I'm the exception. I strongly feel that most--if not ALL--Catholics I've met are opened-minded when it comes to a person's sexuality. That may not apply to the Church's upper echelon, but certainly the people who sit in the pews feel that way. Of course, I live in an area with a strong urban influence and that may influence things.

Jesus never once said anything about homosexual behavior. I don't think it was very important to Him.

[iflitifloat]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 5:56pm

I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned geography. Away from the coasts, and especially away from urban areas, religion is increasingly a leading vehicle of maintaining the status quo. All I'm saying (and I say this as someone raised Missouri Synod Lutheran...kind of the Catholic Lite of denominations...in Cleveland). I suspect your experience would be different were you attending a Catholic church in Topeka.

[Dollypop]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 6:09pm

Why, in Heaven's name, would I WANT to live in Topeka?

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 6:11pm

i don't know about that, iflit. in ne ohio where i grew up (pop. 17,000) and where the parents still live, mom's had to leave several catholic churches on account of there being gays accepted as members of the church. why some of them even gave communion, and everybody knows that if you touch the host after them that you'll turn gay. it's part of the diabolical homosexual agenda for world domination.

[mominator]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 6:15pm

Yep!! You're right DP. homosexuality didn't even make the top ten list.
B

[iflitifloat]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 6:17pm

This is a topic on which I will happily be proven wrong. Perhaps my impressions are skewed by having lived in a Lutheran enclave...and it was long ago. But I'm still not hearing reports coming from mom on much diversification of her church population...

As for Topeka, I have no idea why anyone would want to live there.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 6:18pm

fear of any sloping scenery?

[iflitifloat]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 6:20pm

papa...I DO love a good heartland joke...lol

[Mr Roxy]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 6:29pm

As a practicing Catholic ( yes some exist ) this is wrong. Gay catholics should be able to receive like anyone else. It does not help , however, to make statements that "Bigots must die" . It does not help & believe me is counterproductive

I know those of you ( you know who you are ) who think I have a white sheet in my closet will be shocked by my support for gay Catholics receiving communion & will , to coin a phrase , think it I am " full of crap" but that is your problem not mine.

There you know my feelings on this subject so onward & upward.

When a new Pope is installed, he will have his hands full. Unless they agree to ordination of women, they will have no priests left . They also need to allow priests to marry . On a trip to ireland almost 4 years ago, __ found they had a severe shortage of priests. Some churches have no priests but traveling priests travel from church to church to say mass. The church is over 2000 years old & has become very sclerotic on a number of issues.

Change comes very hard & slowly

Updated On: 5/25/04 at 06:29 PM

[mominator]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 6:39pm

iflit, I am not too sure if that was directed at me but I'll answer anyways.... I live in a very liberal college town, in western Massachusetts. But the Catholic church is anything but liberal, good Catholics believe that the Pope is infalable in matters of the Church. The new pastor here is an old friend of ours as a matter of fact he was one of the priests who married Dave and I 21 years ago. He was saddened to here that we left the church, but understands why we had to. It was a hard choice, a very hard choice for us to make.
B
Once again sorry for the ranting

[iflitifloat]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 6:42pm

Roxy... i think you've overblown the breath of most people's issues with you. I dislike your perspective on voting, and I suspect we've rarely, if ever, cast a ballot for the same candidate back when you DID vote. But frankly, it never occurred to me that you might be homophobic.

[son_of_a_gunn_25]

Posted: 5/25/04 at 6:44pm

On the sex abuse front, I thought this article from The Christian Science Monitor might be enlightening. Sure it is mainly volunteers, but still it makes you think. http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0405/p01s01-ussc.htmhttp://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0405/p01s01-ussc.htm>http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0405/p01s01-ussc.htm I also have a friend who just did a research paper on sex abuse in other churches. If you are interested, I will try to get it from him so you can read it.

Updated On: 5/25/04 at 06:44 PM