Gonna make sure the election isn't rigged this time

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 7/18/04 at 11:18pm

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/19/politics/campaign/19VOTE.html?hp

Good idea! In fact, they should keep a very detailed watch over Florida to make sure Jeb doesn't rig the election again.

Updated On: 7/18/04 at 11:18 PM

[Plum]

Posted: 7/19/04 at 12:21am

Someone needs to watch our buddies at Diebold, too.

[Gothampc]

Posted: 7/19/04 at 8:21am

And when George W. wins again, what excuse are you going to use? My bet is that it will be that voting is done by electoral college rather than majority.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 7/19/04 at 8:26am

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/18/edwards.florida/index.html

Have you seen F911 yet, Gotham? Thought not. I'll be interested to hear what you have to say about the 2000 election once you have seen the film.

Just keep remembering that Gore won the popular vote. And, had all voters been allowed to vote in Florida (and not turned away due to "screw ups"), Gore would have easily won that state. Ask anyone who lives in Florida--they all know that election was rigged.

Updated On: 7/19/04 at 08:26 AM

[ckeaton]

Posted: 7/19/04 at 8:39am

You could make a case that voters are turned away at just about every polling station in America. That is conspiracy theory bullsh*t...

I've monitored polling sites for the party, and I can give you many examples of cases where people show up to the wrong place, can't figure out what family name they're registered under, can't provide any kind of identification, can't countersign... the list goes on. I guarantee that thousands of people f-up the vote by being to dense to figure it out. Of those thousands a whole lot are trying to do something fishy.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 7/19/04 at 8:46am

Just ask a Floridian. Everyone of them tells me how odd that day was--the bizarre amount of police at polling stations to name one.

That election was rigged. Without a doubt in my mind. See F911.

I doubt it will happen again though--Kerry is going to woop butt in Florida. Florida will be the last place that will take that treatment again.

Updated On: 7/19/04 at 08:46 AM

[ckeaton]

Posted: 7/19/04 at 8:49am

I will see F9/11 when I can be 100% certain that it will not result in $1 of profit to Michael Moore. I despise the swarthy revolutionary for his guerilla tactics and inappropriate screaming. I would download it, but I don't believe in that.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 7/19/04 at 9:31am

ck, take heart in the fact that disney in their infinite power and wisdon forced the weinstiens into a real sweetheart of a deal. miramax has a 60/40 deal with disney and the only way disney would sell them distribution rights to f911 was if they agreed to not make anymore than that deal. hence, 60% of the take from f911 goes into an escrow account to be distributed to charities to be chosen by disney. so there's a good chance that $.60 of any dollar you spend on the film could go to republican non-profits. it all depends on what the definition of "charity" is, right?

and jrb, even if the supreme court had not stepped in and halted things, under the guidelines by which the re-count was proceeding bush would have won anyway. check the nytimes which participated in the study that determined that. there were only two re-count scenarios under which gore would have won the study determined. those scenarios both would have involved looking at double punched cards and trying to divine what the voter "really" intended. and as far as the people of florida who'll tell you the election was rigged, i can find an equivalent number of floridians who'll tell you that elvis is alive and that they saw him when they were abducted by aliens.

Updated On: 7/19/04 at 09:31 AM

[ckeaton]

Posted: 7/19/04 at 9:36am

The irony of that brought me new found energy while I polish my jack boots. Perhaps I shall even squeal mit delight.

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 7/19/04 at 10:50am

Actually, I am kind of happy that some of the proceeds will go to charities. The real question here is who gets to decide where the escrow money goes? Disney? The Weinsteins?

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 7/19/04 at 11:00am

disney, bway. ya gotta love the mouse, baby!

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 7/19/04 at 11:26am

On the news here in central texas this morning, they had a piece involving F9/11.some anti=war protesters want to screen the film here..preferably in Crawford.. and want to do it no matter where it will be shown -- whether in a theatre or on the side of a barn. However, no one is willing to provide a place. They even specifially mentioned the fact that all of theatres in the ares have refused to house the movie....whether as part of a protest of in general film circulation.

hmmmmmmmmmmm............

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 7/19/04 at 11:53am

hmmmmmm, maybe nobody in crawford really wants to see it that much.

hmmmmmm, maybe the people of crawford don't feel like being used as props in some propagandistic venture?

hmmmmmm, maybe the president personally called every single person in crawford and threatened them with eternal hellfire and damnation if they comply with the protesters, which he can of course do through his special relationship with the lord our god.

hmmmmmm, perhaps this is just a sign of things to come once the bush administration declares martial law and bans opposition parties crowing gw emperor for life.

hmmmmmm, maybe the foil hat is too tight.

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 7/19/04 at 11:56am

"hmmmmmm, maybe the people of crawford don't feel like being used as props in some propagandistic venture?"


Like how Bush uses them EVERY time he comes to visit??

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 7/19/04 at 12:03pm

safe to say that bush has spent more time in crawford than the anti-war protesters. find some folks there who feel like gw's exploiting them as opposed to those who would feel exploited by folks who don't share their values coming to town to use them as the backdrop for an attack on the president. see, shockingly enough, folks in crawford actually like gw. it's amazing, ain't it? there are still people in this country who like and support the president. it's not just me and ck.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 7/19/04 at 3:11pm

Honey, Bush spends more time in Crawford than the residents!

I don't care about hanging chads. I care about the peculiar number of African Americans who were wrongly turned away from the polls in 2000. I know we can argue the 2000 election issue until the cows come home. Republicans will never believe it was rigged. Democrats will never believe it was not rigged.

And, boy, papa, you sure are bitter about F911. It must break your heart that it is doing so well--$91 million and counting.

The only way Bush can win is by rigging the election, pulling Osama out of his butt, or playing on the fear of another attack. He has NOTHING else to stand by.

[ckeaton]

Posted: 7/19/04 at 3:15pm

In terms of the press "using" the people of Crawford TX, I can't say I've ever seen one. I've also never seen people bussed in to the ranch to stand behind him for photo ops.

I think once, I saw a couple of guys on horses, but I'm pretty sure they were secret service agents.

We don't see much of Crawford, for obvious reasons. (It's theroretically where he goes for private time, or to personally entertain.)

Don't you think that the fine people of Crawford TX love the major $$$ that has been pouring into their local economy for the last 4 years?

"Them there yankee reporter types want another round of Coronas Clem!"

[Plum]

Posted: 7/19/04 at 3:20pm

I (usually a Democrat) don't think that the election was rigged. I think that the closeness of that election revealed pre-existing problems in the electoral system, problems that disproportionately affect African-Americans. I think that there was a lot of partisan crap going on for both sides in the Florida recounts. And I also think that the Supreme Court ruling that ended it all was a load of horse...poo. And I've read it.

But rigged? No. There were conditions that worked in Bush's favor; but he didn't plan them all that way.

As I said before, Diebold is giving me major worries in this election. Look it up.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 7/19/04 at 3:22pm

Two major problems: Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris. For starters.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 7/19/04 at 3:36pm

nope, jrb, it's gonna do my heart good to see those millions going into the the coffers of christian charities who will use them to get out the vote in the lands where the craggy senators who prefer wind surfing to campaigning are not popular. remember, 60% goes to charities of disney's choosing. it's not the movie i can't stand, it's the morons who get taken in hook line and sinker by a self righteous lying huckster who hates america and americans almost as much as he loves the money they will pour into his pockets, but not quite.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 7/19/04 at 3:39pm

That is so bogus saying that he hates America and Americans--you DO have much in common with O'Reilly!

He made that film because he DOES care about America and knows that we can be a better country than the one Bush has made us. It's a very patriotic film.

It should also be interesting to note that he does criticize Democrats in the film, too.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 7/19/04 at 3:54pm

my statement was about the man, not the film, jrb. no, if you listen to the statements that he makes on a regular basis about america and americans, they are the comments of one who despises the people of america because they do not for the most part agree with him. time and again he's railed against americans as the supidest people on the planet. his loathing for capitalism is clear and while he might love his idea of america (what exactly that is i'd actualy be interested in hearing), he hates the genuine article. as his title indicated, "dude, where's my country?" well, mickey, your socialist utopia has never and will never exist in the land of lincoln and truman. yeah, "triumph of the will" was pretty patriotic, too, jrb.

[ckeaton]

Posted: 7/19/04 at 3:55pm

What's bogus JRB, is suggesting that one president has "made" this country into anything. This country has been on its current path for decades. George W. Bush has made either/or decisions that were posed by many generations of leadership.

The beauty of democracy is that we are ALL at fault for the nation's problems.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 7/19/04 at 4:00pm

no! no! stop that, ck! it's all bush, he's the one! he did it all and once he's out of office the world will become peaceful, our allies will love us and our great kerry. the terrorist will stop attacking us because they will know we voted bush out of office just like they wanted us to. i demand you stop spreading lies and deceit, ck! you're worse than rush limbaugh, michael savage, bill o'reilly and ann coulter rolled into one!

[zoran912]

Posted: 7/19/04 at 4:08pm

I saw Fahrenheit 9/11. I was appalled. I really don't want this man in office anymore.