Guilty or Not?- Page 2

[Jwei123]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 12:40am

yay!! *gets paper and sharpie ready like a 12 year old idina fan @ a stage door!*

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 12:47am

[QueenMuppet]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 12:53am

I'm 100% with CapnHook on that one.

If he is guilty then he should be locked away for good and deserves EVERYTHING that is coming his way.

If he is innocent then the media and everyone else who is pointing their fingers should be proud of having completely destroyed this man's life and career.

Michael Jackson has been one of the most talented people around and every time I see him in earlier footage doing Billie Jean at the Grammys or as a little boy in The Jackson Five, I feel like crying. He used to be this mind-blowing performer, now he's a freak.

If he is innocent I feel very sorry for him but would also like to kick his arse for never having listened to his advisors when they told him to back off the kids and take it easy.

I very strongly believe in 'innocent until proven guilty', especially when the media has judged this man a long time ago.

However, to a certain degree, it's his own fault... he has become a freak, unfortunately.

QM

Updated On: 2/12/05 at 12:53 AM

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 1:04am

The media isn't pointing fingers. If Corey Feldman was going to be on 20/20 and talk in detail about their relationship and how nothing sexual or inappropriate ever happened, I still think he would have been on TV. They're not trying to make him "seem" guilty at all, they're reporting what they hear. It's their job. And his allegations and people thinking he's a freak has nothing to do with his talent. He's obviously enormously talented - he's an enormously talented freak. You can't deny the fact that the man is insane. Now that doesn't mean he did anything to those children but from what I'm gathering from the media (which is our only glimpse into what's happening,) I'm saying he's guilty so far.

The whole innocent until proven guilty doesn't always apply. OJ wasn't found guilty, but everyone knows that he is. So that theory isn't always relevant. And it's not the media that judges him - they report what's happening and what they see. The audience judges him. They report on his children walking around with masks on and him dangling his baby over a balcony. They don't say he's crazy - we read the true reports and say "yes, this man is off." People need to stop blaming the media for doing their job.

[QueenMuppet]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 1:08am

Munk, are you honestly trying to tell me that the media hasn't made up their mind about this a long time ago? They want to see him go down, it's very obvious.

QM

[Justice]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 1:10am

His prime was in the mid-eighties...then his music began to deteriorate. No matter what the public and media does to him, the world will still be buying his albums, and he will still be making money...

Those poor kids...

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 1:25am

No, I do not think that the media has made up their mind. It is their job to not take a side, and they can only report on what is absolutely true. They are not trying to frame Michael Jackson - sadly he began digging his own grave years ago. You're talking about "the media" as if it's a board of people that get together and determine how they're going to pursue MJ's downfall - it doesn't happen. Now, if ABC was reporting something different than ABC and NBC, and Us Weekly was saying something different than In Touch, there's a problem there. Whenever magazines, radio shows, television programs, and newspapers report the same exact story, it's obviously the truth. Come on. People need to stop blaming the media for bringing out things they don't want to know. Ignorance is bliss.

[QueenMuppet]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 1:37am

Ignorance is bliss? To tell you the truth, it's not of such a great importance to me if MJ is going down or not.

Also, you're saying that 'it is their job to not take a side', I'm sorry but I find that very naive. When is the last time you have actually read a paper or a magazine? They're full of 'taking sides' and 'having opinions'...

I find it very worrying that you take the media's word as gospel, especially when you really know NOTHING about the case (apart from the facts the media wants you to know). There are only a handful of people who really know the truth about this (MJ himself and the kids)... so if you excuse me, but I, for one, would like to continue doubting things I read. That's just me.

QM

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 1:42am

I'm not convinced he is guilty.

CNN played Feldman's 1993 interrogation where despite the police's pushing and pushing and PUSHING for Feldman to admit something prurient happened, he denied that anything in the least happened.

Now, all of a sudden career-starved Feldman has information? And information that sounds more like a concerned older brother than a pervert--was Michael not educating Corey about veneral disease? Maybe it's not Michael's place to teach Feldman that--but let's remember all of the rumors that surrounded Feldman back then--that he and Corey Haim were living on the edge. Is it not possible that Jackson was trying to keep Corey from getting into serious trouble? I don't see how VD pics would be ploy to get ANYONE into bed.

Culkin said nothing ever happened and we've yet to see any other kids come forth with accusations aside from the one whose family was pleased to get money and money only in 93 and the one today whose mother is under great suspicion.

It just seems VERY possible that MJJ is being framed.

So, I await what the TRIAL tells us.

If he is guilty--lock him up in a mental institution. If not, let Michael gain back what respect is possible.

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 1:46am

I don't take things I read as "gospel." But it's a known fact that you can't televise or publish "news" that is false. That would result in endless lawsuits and people getting fired, much like what just happened with CBS.

And when I posed my question, it said "based on what we know." The only thing we know is from the media. As I said to someone else, it's the same as me saying "based on what the media tells us, do you think he's guilty." I never said that I knew anything else about the case. All I asked was guilty or not - not blame the media.

[QueenMuppet]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 2:02am

'But it's a known fact that you can't televise or publish "news" that is false.'

I never said that. I'm only saying that I believe that the media has decided that MJ is guilty a long time ago.

Do I think he's crazy? Yes! Do I think he's guilty? I don't know and I like to keep an open mind about it and see his side of the whole thing too. We're just seeing one side of the story...

I just wish you would be a bit more critical towards the media. It scares the cr*p out of me that there are people out there who rely on the point of view of the media and are ready to condemn someone so easily. Scares the sh*t out of me...

QM

[munkustrap178]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 2:47am

I'm not condeming anyone. Again, if you had listened to my initial point (which you obviously missed twice,) I asked people's opinions to be based on what we see and what we've heard so far.

[CurtainUp2]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 2:54am

Guilty as sin.
But...
He'll get away with it.

Updated On: 2/12/05 at 02:54 AM

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 2:59am

That is sick, CU. And you COULD be wrong--very wrong.

[CurtainUp2]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 3:03am

That's my opinion. I have mine, and you have yours. Personally, I think he's one sick bastard!

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 3:03am

I will grant you your opinion, though it is potentially libelous the way you put it.

Updated On: 2/12/05 at 03:03 AM

[CurtainUp2]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 3:12am

To me jrb... it's as clear as the nose on his... ah... well... never mind. You know what I mean.

Updated On: 2/12/05 at 03:12 AM

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 3:13am

*Based on what we have seen*, it seems very difficult for the public to believe anything except that he IS guilty, however I think most of the public's opinion on this has little to do with the facts of the case (which are convoluted and paint a very one sided portrait) and more about the fact that in MJ's every day life, he seems very much like a freak. (plastic surgery, masked babies, the whole bit)

While he HAS dug his own grave in how he has been publicly painted out, a) there is no correlation between distorted self-image, poor judgments in child rearing (as opposed to abuse) and child molestation; at least no empirical evidence that has proven this!; b) the media is hardly the neutral figure in this, however they are not entirely to blame here. Of course they're portraying a sensationalized, exaggerate, one-sided view of MJ. It sells papers. But why do we submit to the role of the passive recipient of this information? They're going to feed off our interest, and honestly, I don't think too many of us are willing to take the initiative to do enough research to GET both sides of the story. And there's nothing the general public likes more than to see a world-reknown celebrity fall. The main difference between OJ and MJ is OJ's past was untarnished, and he wasn't the megastar MJ is. Put King of Pop + erratic behavior = "Guilty" Man, whether he really is guilty or not.

Updated On: 2/12/05 at 03:13 AM

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 3:14am

I think that photo has been doctored!!

If not, I'd want my MF money back!

[Allie]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 3:15am

TIFF: PISS OFF!!!!

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 3:16am

How was THAT called for?? Of course, I agree with Tiff.

[Allie]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 3:19am

It's because I love Tiff, and I don't want her to end up living on the streets. SHE NEEDS TO LEAVE!!! Tiff, I WILL kick your ass.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 3:20am

oh lol--I forgot about all that. Hey, TIFF! Bugger off!!

[Type_A_Tiff]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 3:27am

*whimper* B-b-but I wanna talk about MJ.

[Allie]

Posted: 2/12/05 at 3:28am

Tiff, I'm HALF WAY through the song. There's still the whole of Act 2. I'm just sayin'...