Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (SPOILER THREAD)- Page 12

[StickToPriest]

Posted: 7/22/05 at 2:21pm

"Priest, that's fascinating with Harry being the Horocrux. But then the philosophy wouldn't be true, or it brings a whole news spin. In essence, both would die."

Ah, that's true.
Well, so much for that then.

Posted: 7/22/05 at 2:25pm

But it makes sense.. Can scars be Horocrux's?

I'd rather both die than just Harry.

[camerangel]

Posted: 7/22/05 at 2:25pm

Unless of course it's possible to fragment the piece of voldemorts soul from the horocrux.. making it possible to destroy the sould but not the object or being that is the horocrux..

[Millie42]

Posted: 7/22/05 at 2:31pm

Priest, though the tragic hero thing would be an interesting twist I don't think (and I hope) it doesn't happen. Because these began an children's books, I think it would be beyond detrimental to kill off Harry.

I have already been seeing stories on the news about how #6 is too dark and how children and having a really hard time dealing with it. I saw one promo that was about how parents should help their kids cope with their feelings after this latest one. If Harry dies in the end, all the children that grew up with him as an icon and a hero are going to be inconsolable.

Posted: 7/22/05 at 2:32pm

If I remember correctly, the Locket wasn't destroyed, even though the Horocrux on the locket was. Right?

[camerangel]

Posted: 7/22/05 at 3:17pm

It was the ring that was a horocrux and Dumbledore said it's not one anymore. I totally forgot about the locket in Sirius' house..

[StickToPriest]

Posted: 7/22/05 at 3:39pm

"It might be the unopenable locket the kids found in Sirius' house, in which case it's quite likely it was pawned off by Mundungus"

Completely forgot about that!! Where is that part in the book?

[KelRel]

Posted: 7/22/05 at 4:32pm

I think that the horocrux can be eliminated without destroying the object. The ring was ok, well besides Dumbledore's hand being all screwed up, but the object itself was ok. I think that Harry may have a huge battle on his hands, but I think he will live. I read that JRK is planning on having the last word of #7 be scar. I think that the scar on Harry's forehead is the mark that was left upon him when he was made a horocrux and I think that when he defeats Voldemort it will be a situation where he has to sacrifice himself for the better good, but he won't die he will just lose his scar.

[LoudIrishGirl]

Posted: 7/22/05 at 4:37pm

What if Harry pulls a wormtail?

IF the scar goes away, what if Harry then hides out. Goes off the radar. He has enough money, he has Bill to help him access it whenever he needs it. What if he 'dies' and is finally left in peace by the wider world (coughritacough).

Just a thought.

[KelRel]

Posted: 7/22/05 at 4:40pm

I think that Harry may very well do that, thats how JKR can end the series in peace. Harry will survive but to the public he will be "The boy who lived, and then died saving the wizarding world". While everyone mourns his "death" Harry, Ginny, Ron and Hermione will go live back at Godric Hollow perhaps and live in peace.

[Plum]

Posted: 7/22/05 at 4:56pm

Priest- The locket was found in Chapter 6 of OoTP, when the kids were cleaning out the Black house. I don't have access to the books right now or I'd get a page number.

And I just thought of something- if the diary-Horcrux functioned by possessing Ginny, then it just lends more credence to the theory that a Harry-Horcrux won't be functional for Voldemort because he can't possess Harry.

[Taryn]

Posted: 7/22/05 at 11:49pm

I don't think there's ever been a date when a Harry Potter book was "supposed to come out" that got pushed back. The fifth book took a particularly long time, but there was never a release date until she was done writing it. Whenever she hands over the manuscript to her publishers, that's when they announce a release date--usually about six months from that.

There's no time frame the last book is "supposed to come out."

[Jess1483]

Posted: 7/22/05 at 11:55pm

(Going back in the thread a bit.) A little girl I babysit for got to the part where Dumbledore dies, and got pissed and stopped reading. She just refuses to finish it. She's 10.

[TabooWickedFan]

Posted: 7/23/05 at 12:18am

um my guesses for the Prince were totally off. And when the part came when Harry used the spell against Draco, I really wanted it to be Draco who died it would have been good. But when Dumbledore died, I didn't cry like when Sirius died, but I was still mad. Hm but with this book we can see kinda of how book 7 will go. And the Ron/Hermoine relationship....YES! I am so happy about that. And finally I don't think it will be the end of Ginny and Harry. That relationship was just so cute. Alright babbling over. hehe

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 7/23/05 at 8:38pm

BUMP!!!

I am with Priest on this one.....I believe that Snape will end up redeeming himself. Either he will sacrifice himself to save Harry or help him in destroying Voldemort. I also hope that in the seventh book, Rowling will let us know why Snape has been saving/or tried to save Harry in almost every book in one situation or another. I always thought that Snape would end up being some kind of relative or something but because of his hatred for Harry's father, he will not let it be known to Harry. I don't know. That is a wild theory but there has to be something. I also agree with Priest that Snape is the most interesting character in the whole series. I mean, with every character, you know where they stand but with Snape, it is so confusing.

About the whole "Harry as a horocrux" thing.....it just doesn't fly well with me. I mean, there is a reason that Voldemort made inanimant (sp?) objects horocrux's.....they are not alive, they will never die. Also, because Harry's mom sacrificed herself for Harry (the ultimate act of love), I don't think Voldemort would have been able to have posessed him because that is Voldemort's Kryptonite. He transported some of his powers into Harry by mistake. He was there to kill Harry not make him a horocrux. Make sense?!?!?!?

[Plum]

Posted: 7/23/05 at 9:06pm

Right- that's why I think if Harry's a Horcrux, it was an accident, a weird result of the combination of Voldemort splitting his soul with the Avada Kedavra spell and Lily's protective charm. If the Harry-Horcrux thing is true, neither Harry nor Voldemort know it.

[KelRel]

Posted: 7/23/05 at 11:05pm

Perhaps that was the last bit of goodness in him that went into Harry. Though I don't know if Voldemort is possible of having good in him at all...

[Plum]

Posted: 7/23/05 at 11:25pm

The possibility of some goodness in Voldemort was open until this book. But I think the childhood scenes make it clear he was a sociopath from birth, the only character in the stories with no redeeming features whatsoever.

[CurtainUp]

Posted: 7/24/05 at 1:57am

My friedn and I discussed this. What if Voldemort - if he hadnt been able to kill him - tried to recruit him, by making him a Horocrux? That's a pretty good deal - in Voldemort's persepctive, either Harry dies or is recruited by Voldemort. Not Harry himself being the Horocrux, but his SCAR.

[LoudIrishGirl]

Posted: 7/24/05 at 2:02am

I don't think that could have happened because the moment that his curse didn't kill Harry it reflected back onto Voldemorte. So Voldemort was 'killed' upon the moment of the curse and would not have been strong nor aware enought to do a curse as complex as the Horocrux must be.

If Harry IS a Horocrux, then it is accidental and a byproduct of the Avada (sp?) curse not working.

And I think somebody earlier mentioned that Voldemort didn't use live things as Horocrux, thereby negating the possibilty of Harry being one. BUT Nagari (sp?), Voldi's snake, also is presumed to be a Horocrux.

[CurtainUp]

Posted: 7/24/05 at 2:36am

Dumbledore doesnt ADVISE one ot use living things as a horocrux, since when has the Dark Lord beein reasonable?

[Millie42]

Posted: 7/25/05 at 11:02am

"I think that Snape will ultimately be the one to get rid of that last piece of V's soul -- it will look like he's attacking Harry, and maybe he will have to in order to destroy the soul, but it does fit with where the books are going. "

Interesting theory...
And if someone were to do it, I think it would definitely be Snape, as well. Man, he is such a great character!!

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 7/25/05 at 8:04pm

I just finished the book and have not looked all the way through this tread.
I totally agree with the last few posts about Snape, it was yodamarie who first brought up this Snape could have been following Dumbledore's orders idea and I amd still very much in favor of it. There has been so much invested in Snape over the books and DD must have some reason for trusting him, other than what Harry thinks, harry is almost always wrong.
I think just as DD told harry to do "whatever it takes" he did the same with Snape, I remember his original reluctance to make the unbreakable vow once Narcissa asked him to finish the job, but he did it because that was what DD ordered him to do. I'm also in total agreement on his pleading with Snape being that he go ahead and kill him. DD never struck me as one to plead FOR his own life.
Harry being the Horocrux I have yet to wrap my mind around, but i can see the possibility, although somehow I still see Harry surviving.

[LoudIrishGirl]

Posted: 7/25/05 at 8:20pm

The only way that JK could get away with 'killing' Harry would be if there is a mention in the Epilogue sugesting that he actually survived and only pretended to die so that he could find peace in anonymity at last (or rather, he could have been so injured that others made that choice for him).

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 7/25/05 at 9:13pm

eh. I still can't grasp Harry being killed or even pretending that he was killed. I think that Harry (with the help of Snape) will kill Voldemort and the Ministry of Magic will come up with a story so Harry won't be bombarded by adoring wizards and witches. And I agree that she better not just have Harry, Ron, and Hermoine go off on an adventure together.........Neville is one of my favorite characters so he better be in the next book (along with Hagrid) or I will not be a happy camper. I think it is really interesting about the "It could have been Neville" plot. I hope he some how fits into the story about how Voldemort goes down. That would rock!! And I hope Hermoine and Ron have one GOOD kiss in the last book. All this waiting is torture.