Hillary to 'Suspend' Not Concede?- Page 2
Hillary to 'Suspend' Not Concede?
mejusthavingfun
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/12/06
#25dream ticket still viable? I still hope so
Posted: 6/2/08 at 10:41pm
"How is Obama going to get these independents and blue collar workers and Hillary supporters? "
Obama actually gets the independents. Not sure if you noticed that. If you know enough about elections and the electoral college you will see the "blue collar workers" generally wont even vote democrat. They weren't for Hillary or her husband. Democrats have to win in other ways. It would be nice for him to pick that up, but it didn't work for Gore or Kerry.
"Hillary is more to the center."
I don't think she would like that to be said about her. I'll give you that though he is a little more 'left'---ish...
"The GOP are going to DESTROY him."
They actually destroyed McCain in a prior election and nearly in this primary. Hillary Clinton went after Obama with all she had, I really can't imagine it getting any worse. She did EVERYTHING in her power to win this election, you have to give that to her.
" John Kerry was also told the election was his to win and then Bush won. "
That is not true. Bush still had very good approval ratings and they were polling very close. That was not an easy win. It wasn't like we went to bed thinking he was a shoe-in. This election is MUCH different.
" American voters can be very dumb (as 2004 proves)"
They were still scared.
McCain certainly has experience, but the fact that he is saddled with the Bush legacy, the Keating Five, his comments about Iran, his dismissal of Hagey and offensive remarks about Israel/Obama have seriously wounded this candidate. Not to mention his own party is not behind him. Some of us actually remember the day when Bush ran against him. They did so much to destroy that man. Remember the "John McCain has a black baby!" phone calls?
#26dream ticket still viable? I still hope so
Posted: 6/2/08 at 10:53pm
SHE DID, IT DID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If we can't at least agree on that then whatever. She most certainly did go that route. It's unfortunate she had to but that was her game.
Hillary Clinton went after Obama with all she had
Nope. We CAN'T agree on that. Hillary went after Obama with all that she could in an all-Democrat contest. If you don't understand the difference between the electorates in Democratic primary and a General Election, you should stop posting on political thread. They are apples and oranges.
Hillary couldn't use all the oppo research she had--not in a Democratic primary--and there were no 527s to do the dirty work for her.
The Republicans don't mind getting dirty and their 527s will keep McCain's fingernails clean.
To quote Margo Channing, "Fasten your seat belts. It's gonna be a BUMPY General Election."
And to quote someone in blackface: "You ain't seen NOTHIN' yet!"
mejusthavingfun
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/12/06
#27dream ticket still viable? I still hope so
Posted: 6/2/08 at 11:05pm
"If you don't understand the difference between the electorates in Democratic primary and a General Election, you should stop posting on political thread. They are apples and oranges."
I do understand it, and I understand our party will come together. What I'm counting is Obama's appeal in important electoral states.
"Hillary couldn't use all the oppo research she had--not in a Democratic primary--and there were no 527s to do the dirty work for her. "
Right. You have got to be kidding me. I hadn't realized she was a candidate for saint hood. My God how much time has past, I feel like I live in a vacuum. PJ you need to put down the crack.
Seriously there were several incidents AFTER super Tuesday where her campaign actually said "going negative" was a better way for her to get votes.
You need to come back to reality my man. What is your prediction tomorrow? Do you think she really will step aside? If not how will that make you feel about her?
#28dream ticket still viable? I still hope so
Posted: 6/2/08 at 11:08pmI hope McCain and the Republicans make the same mistakes that the Clinton campaign made in underestimating Obama and his staff. Looking back five months ago, no one would have thought he could pull off this upset of Clinton. With five months until the general election, I see no reason to believe the he, Axelrod, and the rest of his staff aren't smart enough to see that they need to chart a new direction. Will it be easy? Of course not. Is it possible? Hell, yeah.
mejusthavingfun
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/12/06
#29dream ticket still viable? I still hope so
Posted: 6/2/08 at 11:16pm
I think PJ makes a interesting point (for Obama people) and that is Hillary's rogue tactics can be easily dismissed. Should she accept the VP slot, I hope we can just pretend what occurred in her campaigning never happpened.
McCain has a serious problems, hence his own party's fear of him running. I think he will self-destruct.
I defy any Hillary supporter to suggest that a Obama's victory over her is any less monumental than a victory over McCain. Hillary Clinton is a powerhouse. That woman fought with EVERYTHING she had. Papa posted some nonsense of a rumored "Michele Obama anti-whitey" tape. If that exists, I have no doubt Hillary Clinton's opposition research would not have Youtube the hell out of hit. With good reason too. Yet we get nothing. I still remember the Hillary interview where she hesitated when asked if Barrack was a Muslim. That hit me.
Luscious
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/20/05
#30dream ticket still viable? I still hope so
Posted: 6/2/08 at 11:16pm
Barack Obama will be the next President of these United States; with or without Hillary.
PERIOD
#32dream ticket still viable? I still hope so
Posted: 6/2/08 at 11:28pm
For what it is worth - I am at a conference and the election came up - and many Hillary supporters cannot bring themselves to vote for Obama.
The issue is not the core democrats, but what has been called the Reagan Democrats and those tending Independent. Obama scares the bejesus out of them. Some of these folks were not fond of Hillary personally, but would vote for her over Obama or McCain. They will vote for McCain over Obama. The main point raised over and over again is that Obama is going to spend even more aggressively than Bush, and taxes will go through the roof.
The commentary at the conference was that the Democrats are picking the one candidate that McCain can beat.
You better hope that Bob Barr takes a lot of the far right vote away from McCain, or you may have a very disappointing November. Many of them also believe McCain is not as conservative as he plays himself to be for the right wing of the Republican party, and would rather roll the dice with him than Obama. And, for the record, Hillary did not throw everything at Obama, she played a little rough, but what has been done in the Primary will pale in comparison to what is coming in the GE.
Luscious, I hope you are right, but I do not think this is a slam dunk or a certainty.
mejusthavingfun
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/12/06
#33dream ticket still viable? I still hope so
Posted: 6/2/08 at 11:36pmYouwantit, the point is the party is supposed to come together and support the sum of it's parts. Clinton is supposed to support Obama if he is the nominee.
mejusthavingfun
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/12/06
#34dream ticket still viable? I still hope so
Posted: 6/2/08 at 11:37pmAnd what about the supes? They are holding out.
#35dream ticket still viable? I still hope so
Posted: 6/2/08 at 11:46pm
Mejust, I have no doubt Clinton will support Obama. She has no choice but to campaign for him and work to get him elected. If she does not, she will be blamed for his loss.
But, you assume that her supporters will follow in lock step with her. I do not believe they will. Some will go to Obama, but some, I fear a large percentage, will go to McCain.
It may be news to you, but the whole free will thing still exists, and many moderate dems and republicans fear that Obama will be a nightmare, and raise their taxes significantly, while learning on the job. I am not sure what he can do to convince these folks he is not as liberal as he is.
McCain looks pretty good to them. They think he has moved to the right only to get the nomination, and will govern from the middle if elected.
I will be voting for Obama, but I think a large chunk of Clinton supporters may not.
#36dream ticket still viable? I still hope so
Posted: 6/2/08 at 11:48pm
but I think a large chunk of Clinton supporters may not.
well then they're stupid, not democrats, and actually hate this country.
mejusthavingfun
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/12/06
#37dream ticket still viable? I still hope so
Posted: 6/2/08 at 11:49pm
Yea, sorry I can't believe democrats would turn like that. Where is that Obama chart we see on here.
I just don't think McCain will suffice for Hillary's base..
#38dream ticket still viable? I still hope so
Posted: 6/2/08 at 11:59pm
You two deserve each other.
The Democratic Party is not just the Progressives/Liberals. It includes moderates and those fleeing Bush's far right Republicans.
If you do not see that McCain is a viable alternative to Clinton to those folks, then so be it.
Good luck winning over Clinton voters with that attitude.
mejusthavingfun
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/12/06
#40dream ticket still viable? I still hope so
Posted: 6/3/08 at 3:29am
I am so sick of these repetitive, circular bitch fests. I pray to God that when this is over (in less than 24 hours), we can all move forward and stop acting like nutcases.
That we can start throwing all of this bull**** at McCain instead of each other.
Good. Effing. Grief.
#41dream ticket still viable? I still hope so
Posted: 6/3/08 at 6:40amYou want it when, you more or less summed it up. I could not agree with you more. The attitude of the Obama supporters has a lot to do with it, which is sad because their not helping their candidate one bit. Theres an easy solution to all of this where the Obama people and the Hillary people all come out happy and its up to Obama to make it happen.UNITE THE PARTY NOW! What the hell are you waiting for?!
#42dream ticket still viable? I still hope so
Posted: 6/3/08 at 6:45amWhat's important at this moment in time is not the attitude of Obama supporters, although it wouldn't hurt if some would tone their rhetoric. What's important is the attitude of the candidate and his staff. If they're svvy enough to outmanuever the Clinton campaign through this primary process, I'd be shocked if they're not smart enough to realize that their tack must change at this point.
#43dream ticket still viable? I still hope so
Posted: 6/3/08 at 7:02am
Howard Dean brings up a good point. He is not concerned with the candidate who brings in 51% He is more concerned with the one who brings in 49%
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_HdSZR9UR8&eurl=
#44dream ticket still viable? I still hope so
Posted: 6/3/08 at 7:53am
That was very interesting, Romantico. Thanks for posting it.
He made some very valid points, and I hope with all I have that he is right, and that Hillary will rally behind Obama, and campaign for him.
I think a lot of Obama supporters are having a pre-emptive knee-jerk reaction, thinking she won't give up, that she won't help him in the GE if/when she loses.
Yes, he does have to lead in the push for unity, but so does she. They both have to do their best so that the winner of the nomination wins in November.
#45dream ticket still viable? I still hope so
Posted: 6/3/08 at 8:18amStarting a new, more positive thread for jrby.
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