Hostess to close, lay off 18,500 after 'crippling' union fight — Page 2

Typical. No plausible argument against my post, so divert to discussing unrelated topics.

I forgot the password to my initial account "iliveintherealworld", so I had to create a new one.

Also, I'm not a troll. I know it may be hard for you and your tiny mind to comprehend, but very few issues have straightforward analysis or answers. In the case of Hostess, it's complex. Yes the management does share in a lot of the burden and responsibility as do perhaps the VCs as well, however so do the unions! Simply put, the company would not have been liquidated today if there was no strike. That doesn't mean they're entirely at fault or even the scapegoats in this situation.

I'm actually giving the most honest answer one can provide in this situation. Every party involved with Hostess shares responsibility and the failure of the company meets somewhere in the middle of everyone's contribution. Why this is difficult for you to understand really baffles me.

You're a troll and EVERYONE knows it.

You, like Abby are so desperate for everyone here to believe you.People see right through you yet you honestly believe you are fooling people.Why you waste so much of your time trying to reach a group of people who call BS on every word you post is what baffles me.

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If you forget your password, you can click the link that says "Forgot your password?"

Why didn't you just have them send you your password?

And what possessed you to join a Broadway message board to talk about corporations?

Updated On: 11/17/12 at 12:42 AM

So, you have so many accounts you can't keep track of all of them, huh? I've had only this one for years.Maybe we should ask BWW to look into your account(s) since you admit you had another account and have started a new one.

This is a trend with trolls and you fit the description.Oh, and you are confused and outraged that you are being accused of being a troll.

Phyllis asks some great questions.Lets see if you can answer them.

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Updated On: 11/17/12 at 12:47 AM

Everyone watch out!!! It's romantico, the BroadwayWorld police! And he's cracking the whip : O

Hey loser - instead of worrying about semantics or background details, let's talk about the actual issue described in the subject of this post "Hostess to close, lay off 18,500 after 'crippling' union fight". Since you seem to contribute no actual opinion other than accusing me of being some robotic sub species, let the grownups speak.

Point blank. Unions were not the only ones responsible here, but if they didn't strike, 18,500 people would still have their jobs today. Doesn't mean they're evil or bad but it's something to think about for the future just as the management and VC firms should analyze their behavior as well. Let's all take responsibility for our own actions instead of passing the blame baton.

If Hostess didn't liquidate and instead raised employee's salaries and benefits, the union would be hailed as a hero. So they need to take responsibility when **** hits the fan too.

Romantico, firstly it's textbook strategy to attack someone's character when you have no valid response to their platform.

Notice how I haven't once questioned the validity of your opinion, but instead have focused solely on the subject at hand. So feel free to continue to criticize me - I really don't care - but get it all out of your system so we can be done and have a conducive conversation.

Secondly, I'm not spewing any "right wing crap". I said that companies are complex structures made up of many different people who contribute to their success and failure. These people include: management, financial backers, employees and employee's representatives (unions). If a company succeeds, everyone shares in the victory and should benefit. If a company fails, everyone must take their fair share of responsibility. Especially when a situation arises like the one that did today where employees/unions refused to lower their demands so the company folded. That was wrong. And no matter what you say, the fact that they no longer have jobs is evidence of their own poor decision. Now management played a big role in this too over the past several years, so don't assign all the blame to employees/unions.

In short, no one is exempt from the success or failure of a company. It's a team effort. Share the successes and share in the failures as well. It will help ensure a higher rate of success in the future. Don't live in fantasy land.

Updated On: 11/17/12 at 01:10 AM

Lol dude you're a joke.

Call me whatever you want.

If you disagree that companies are complex organizations where a team of people share in both success and failure, YOU are the moron.

That's not even an opinion. It's observational fact.

But go ahead - tell us why we're allowed to criticize every other person or entity involved with a company EXCEPT your "precious" unions. Yes, they are exempt from any wrongdoing what so ever, ALWAYS.

You're so delusional. I'm not even blaming unions for Hostess going out of business. I'm just saying you can't say they played zero role either.

And get a grip on all of your character bull****. It's an online message board. Everyone hides behind anonymity. Big ****ing deal if I forgot my old password and made a new account. At least I have a well though out, rational point instead of spending my time being the "enforcer" of BWW.

Well, since this troll has several accounts it's obvious to me. He/She just likes stirring the pot. They stand for nothing. Like I said, this troll who 'claims' to live in the real world (LOL) needs to be on meds. A sick little poster who knows nothing but lies and tries to sell his crap here,knowing everyone thinks he is an idiot.

Fact is, this person admits to having several accounts and joined today and is already posting like previous trolls.Most newbies are not this confrontational and are a bit more sincere,something I'm sure he'll learn when he starts his next new account on BWW.

I've already sent a message to Rob.The troll has admitted to having multiple accounts and I'm sure this will be something that is looked into.

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Updated On: 11/17/12 at 01:23 AM

Romantico, know what the best part about all of this is? No matter what ridiculous assertions or arguments you make, actions speak louder than words. And sadly 18,500 people are out of work tonight because of the dumb decisions their union made. No words can overcome the harsh truth of reality.

#winning

A company that's filed bankruptcy twice finally falls. Don't really see anyone would be playing the blame game. All this strike did was cut short the long drawn out death of the company over the next year. Honestly they should be grateful that they're going to get to sell off their assets now because they're worth more than than their company was.