I'll take 4 more years of the same please!- Page 2

[SamIAm]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 4:34pm

Haven't you guys figured out yet that Rodney is a troll? Don't feed the troll.

When Rodney can intelligently articulate his position, I will be happy to enter into a dialogue with him. Making blanket statements that all New Yorkers are idiots, gives you a sense from the outset that this is not (as Hades said in The Frogs) 'the brightest flame in the candelabra'

I have no problem with people disagreeing, but if we want to see a small example of why there is war in this world, we only have to look at Rodney's name calling and outright antagonism and dismissal of anyone with whom he disagrees to see that it is narrow minded bigotry that drives hatred, dissension and war.

Sad, really!

[Plum]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 5:10pm

No, Rodney has multiple personality disorder. Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of dealing with "Hyde," so I don't have much tolerance for what passes as his "Jekyll."

[Unknown User]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 5:13pm

Give me another 18 hours or so to gloat, then I'll go back to Jekyll.

[South Fl Marc]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 5:21pm

"Give me another 18 hours or so to gloat, then I'll go back to Jekyll."

By then no one will be listening.

[Plum]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 8:51pm

Yeppers. He was also a royal ass. Not all strong Presidents are strong in ways we like.

[jlehrfeld]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 8:51pm

you're all effing morons for thinking that your "omniscient" opinions are correct. i forget who said it before, but somewhere in the beginning of the post someone said that if kerry were elected president there'd be a list of all the wrong things he did in 4 years. that person was absolutely right. it's much easier to criticize than to find the good in what a person does. maybe you all don't think bush did much good, but what kind of person are you if all you can do is criticize him? try to find one good thing bush did (i guarantee if you really research everything he did as much as you all claim to research his policies it won't be hard to find a few good things he's done). stop being so cynical. and start listening to the opinions of those who don't blindly support kerry -- our opinions are valid too. that's all i have to say and i'm not going to post here again, mostly b/c i know i'll be bombarded by ignorant dribble in response to what i've said, rather than you guys actually taking into consideration that maybe instead of criticizing everyone you should find some good. i'll take the initiative -- i've criticized most of you, but i'm willing to admit that your enthusiasm for your country is encouraging and admirable. now you find something good about bush. i dare you.

[Plum]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 8:56pm

I tried, jlehrfeld, and I tried. I liked some of his notions about immigration back during his first campaign, but now they have about as much of a chance of being passed as I do of becoming President. And I'm a naturalized citizen.

Some days it seems like Bush is reading my mind, so he can take his every policy and mold it to be the exact opposite of what I'd like. I hate his politics. All of it. The only things he and I have in common are a love of this country, a belief in democracy, and an agreement that terrorists are evil and Afghanistan should have been attacked. After that, everything diverges. And it's really damn hard to take 4 years of him doing everything so completely wrong. So I'll keep my cynicism, thanks, and my bitterness, too. No President is going to be perfect. But is it too much to ask that he do something I agree with?

[MaTakeALookAtMe]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 8:57pm

Yes, and history will remember him as such, but the fact remains that despite his popularity and his election to two terms, he was not that great a president and he was guilty of abusing and overstepping his office, perhaps being the closest thing we have had to a tyrant.

Our current president has also sought to expand the powers of the presidency, even when it means disregarding the rights of others. Just because he has won reelection and has a strong core of supporters does not mean that we will not in the future look at him with the same criticism that we do Jackson

[Westopher]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 9:10pm

Plum's post:
Yeah, I'm crying, Rodney. Go ahead and take that as a sign that I'm a wimp. Watching Bush win this thing felt like a goddamn tragedy to me. I love this country, so I'll cry for it. And for my roommate, who worked so goddamn hard for Kerry, saw it pay off, and still has to deal with a President who thinks she's not a real citizen.
Why is she not considered a citizen?

And for my friends who can't find jobs.
Glad to hear it's Bush's fault for not having enough Wallmarts to employ your friends who have either no skills, or skills in over populated feilds.

And for children who are getting asthma because of outrageous air pollution,
Actually, cleanliness causes asthma. Without being exposed to bacteria at a young age, their immune systems aren't strong enough for anything.

then can't get health insurance.
Although you may disagree, Bush is not the parent of every child. Why don't we give parents some responsibility?

And for soldiers stuck in a war that shouldn't be happening.
They voulenteerd to be in the armed services, they knew what could happen. I guess if you don't like stopping genocide you could always time travel back to Europe in the 1940's and you'll be living in paradise.

Watch my heart bleed, you prick. Compassion isn't weakness.


As for finding something to like about the Bush administration, how about reading the following concerning the economy.

The economy according to the experts was heading into recession 6 months before W first went into office. Recessions generally take 4 years to recover from.

On September 11th, 2001 as we all know, the economic heart of our country(NYC) was attacked and some 3,000 americans were murdered. Within 30 days as a DIRECT RESULT over 1,000,000 jobs were lost. That is a rediculously huge number for an economy to be hit by. The country was also hit hard by wildfires that year and has been hit hard with hurricans this year. Also, unstability and the threat of danger causes investors to be nervous and cautious(generally leading to a weaker economy).

The Bush tax cuts put money back into the hands of the american people on a large scale. This allowed consumer spending and investing to rise significantly. This and his other economic policy has lead to jobs created and a heathly economy despite all of the events that usually causes an economy to lag. If you disagree with my arguments, then lets just look at the numbers as they are today:

Unemployment: 5.4% -Lower than the average in the 70s, lower than the average in the 80s, and lower than the average in the 90s.

GDP: Up 3.7% which if you know about GDP growths is a booming rate(though not alarmingly high)

Homeownership: Highest it has ever been, especially with minorities.

Inflation: Even with the high GDP growth, it has been very low.

Interest rates: Still very low and consumer friendly.


There have been 1.9 million new jobs created in 13 months. Looking at the numbers, anyone who knows anything about economics knows that this is a strong economy despite Kerry's claims. Politicians lie, numbers don't(you can try to spin the info, but informed people will know better).



That really is the economy, stupid. Updated On: 11/3/04 at 09:10 PM

[jlehrfeld]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 9:20pm

i love you westopher. will you have my babies?

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 9:25pm

Oh, just to grab one outta the stream:

"Homeownership: Highest it has ever been, especially with minorities."

Every single year, ever, under any and all presidents, homeownership is the highest it has ever been. Ever. Since time began.

Why not give W the credit for grass being green too. While it still is, I mean.

[MaTakeALookAtMe]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 9:28pm

Westopher,what's up with calling someone a ****just because they disagree with you? calling him stupid? You presented some valid arguments. That's great. So why negate your arguments by stooping to name calling. If you believe so much in what you say, present the facts and let them speak for themself.

I see you joined today...what other names have you been posting under????

[Westopher]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 9:29pm

I guess if Bush's actions could determine grass color so directly and easily... I would. Because deserves that credit. But then again, I have seen countless times when people refuse to acknowledge good things of certain people...
Ever talk to a Jewish person who thought Hitler did nothing good? I think that gets my point across well enough.

MaTakeALookAtMe- What in the hell are you talking about? First of all, I didn't insult anybody. I used a well known phrase touted by the Democrats in the election to support a Republican point, this is called irony. Secondly, I post under the name King_Tut at The Forum, but Westopher everywhere else. Why? Updated On: 11/3/04 at 09:29 PM

[MaTakeALookAtMe]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 9:32pm

Rodney, I mean westopher, surely you are not implying that jews should see the good in Hitler...

[musicalmjk]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 9:32pm

ok in both speeches Kerry's conceeding speech and Bush's acceptance speech didnt they both say that we have to unite and solve this divide that we have in the nation. I didnt hear either but that what ive been told they said or something to that effect.

Not done yet.

So these next 4 years will be very different from the first 4.

Hopefully

Updated On: 11/3/04 at 09:32 PM

[Plum]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 9:34pm

Things get a little more personal when the guy sent your family to burn.

And I'm stopping right. The. F*CK. There.

[Westopher]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 9:37pm

"I mean westopher, surely you are not implying that jews should see the good in Hitler..."
I think if they weren't closed minded (I'm not making generlisations about Jews) people, they would understand the good that Hitler did for Germany.

" Things get a little more personal when the guy sent your family to burn.

And I'm stopping right. The. F*CK. There."
How nice of you to stop without explaining what the hell you are talking about. Are you talking about Iraq? Bush didn't force anyone to serve. Are you talking about Hitler? Why does this matter here? Are you talking about Saddam? You had family in iraq and don't think the war was good?

[MaTakeALookAtMe]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 9:38pm

Wow..you are an idiot westopher

[Plum]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 9:39pm

Anyone else finding my post ambiguous? I thought the burning part made it pretty damn clear.

I'm finished here. Seriously. Not reading this thread anymore. I like blowing off steam, but I don't like exploding.

[Westopher]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 9:39pm

Plum, it shouldn't matter how many people find it ambiguous, what matters is the person you direct that comment towards. It seems like you are refering to the Halocaust, but attempting genocide doesn't remove the fact that Hitler saved Germany's economy, that Musalini was perhaps the best thing to happen to the Italian health and education system, and so forth.

Originally posted by MaTakeALookAtMe:
"what I dislike out of anyone is absolute ignorance...the type that cannot verbalize their views nor argue a point without making faces and using insults"
" Wow..you are an idiot westopher"

Hypocrit much? Updated On: 11/3/04 at 09:39 PM

[MaTakeALookAtMe]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 9:42pm

Thank you for reading my original post rodney... however, my supporting evidence in saying that you are an idiot is only about two inches up the computer screen in your previous posting...

[Westopher]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 9:43pm

Who the hell is Rodney, and why can't you just explain yourself? You seem to disagree with me... then freaking tell me why.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 9:45pm

"The good Hitler did for Germany." There's really no reason to engage with you. But since you don't know who Rodney is (and you probably don't know who EricMDB is either), then, do tell us, what drove you to join up on BWW today and post something as inflammatory as it is stupid like the above quote?

[Westopher]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 9:48pm

I guess saving a failing economy is bad... thus explains the hatred for the Bush administration.
I'm not saying Hitler was a wonderful man, I am saying some things he did were great (good). Of course they weren't off set equally by his greatly evil acts.
I joined BWW because I'm in theater (gasp!), and once again... I didn't know it was inflammatory to quote history accurately. But, once again, seeing how that is looked down upon here, I can understand the hatred towards the Bush administration. Updated On: 11/3/04 at 09:48 PM

[jlehrfeld]

Posted: 11/3/04 at 9:51pm

hi. i'm a jew. hitler was a mother-effer because of the holocaust, but i'm willing to admit that he did wonders for germany's economy. if i could i would undo his existence, but, unlike some of the radical liberals who are unwilling to acknowledge the validity of republicans' opinions, i am willing to acknowledge the validity of some of the german workingclass people's appreciation of hitler (if it's for the right reasons, such as how he saved their economy).