#26
Posted: 7/2/07 at 10:58am
Abba I'm assuming that was a joke. Happily, I don't think conservatives have instituted non-socialist fire & police protection.
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#27
Posted: 7/2/07 at 11:07am
Are you implying that capitalism is bad? Or, are you simply saying that police and fire protection, along with the military fall under the jurisdiction of our government?
Are you making the case for socialized health care? That is much different from having private insurance to access privately managed health care.
Are you making the case for socialized health care? That is much different from having private insurance to access privately managed health care.
If Tom DeLay is The Hammer, then I proclaim a new title for the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi: The Briber. Nancy Pelosi had to bribe her members with spinach to get their votes.
#28
Posted: 7/2/07 at 11:14am
no my story about the fire was not a joke. It was 1975 and we had just moved to TN and didn't know about the Fire dues.
They let things burn to prove their pt. The neighbors cared enough to get the dog outta the house (they were feeding while the people were on vacation.)
and we always just filled our pool w/ a hose. Took about a week. Usually a $300 water bill back then
They let things burn to prove their pt. The neighbors cared enough to get the dog outta the house (they were feeding while the people were on vacation.)
and we always just filled our pool w/ a hose. Took about a week. Usually a $300 water bill back then
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#29
Posted: 7/2/07 at 11:32am
I guess it wasn't supposed to be a real debate between socialism and American capitalism.
it was just a couple of liberals spewing propaganda.
it was just a couple of liberals spewing propaganda.
If Tom DeLay is The Hammer, then I proclaim a new title for the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi: The Briber. Nancy Pelosi had to bribe her members with spinach to get their votes.
#30
Posted: 7/2/07 at 11:34am
Wow -- Ron Paul mania really HAS swept the nation!
#31
Posted: 7/2/07 at 11:45am
When people who don't agree with your view (henceforth labeled Liberals) they are spewing propoganda. But people who agree with you are spewing what then?
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men" - Willy Wonka
#32
Posted: 7/2/07 at 11:45am
"I guess it wasn't supposed to be a real debate between socialism and American capitalism."
You couldn't particpate in a real debate if you had to. In a real debate cutting and pasting isn't allowed
You couldn't particpate in a real debate if you had to. In a real debate cutting and pasting isn't allowed
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#33
Posted: 7/2/07 at 11:50am
Are you cutting and pasting? I sure haven't in this thread.
It sounds like you grabbed a mantra (Bush bombed building #7), and you aren't letting go of it.
No need to cut and paste a question.
It sounds like you grabbed a mantra (Bush bombed building #7), and you aren't letting go of it.
No need to cut and paste a question.
If Tom DeLay is The Hammer, then I proclaim a new title for the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi: The Briber. Nancy Pelosi had to bribe her members with spinach to get their votes.
#34
Posted: 7/2/07 at 12:00pm
"It sounds like you grabbed a mantra (Bush bombed building #7), and you aren't letting go of it."
Bush bombed building #7? Wow, who'd have thought it?
Bush bombed building #7? Wow, who'd have thought it?
"Just a Guy. Your feelings are touching. I am gladdened by the thought that you will one day wind up 6 feet under as we all do." - MrRoxy ------
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#35
Posted: 7/2/07 at 12:01pm
NO HD I'd dead serious-- I think government has a role in improving the lives of it's citizens. Fire departments, police departments, education-- AND medical care.
CONSERVATIVES, when faced with something they dont like, will conduct research. They realize that "National Health Care" polls well- most people say it's a good thing. So they re-name it "Socialism" and that polls poorly. So they scream "SOCIALZED MEDICINE!" and frighten people away from it. I was just making a point that government often engages in similar programs, but no one screams "SOCIALISM" about firemen.
It's kind of like how conservatives scream "DEATH TAX" even though no such tax exists. Sounds so scary, doesn't it?
CONSERVATIVES, when faced with something they dont like, will conduct research. They realize that "National Health Care" polls well- most people say it's a good thing. So they re-name it "Socialism" and that polls poorly. So they scream "SOCIALZED MEDICINE!" and frighten people away from it. I was just making a point that government often engages in similar programs, but no one screams "SOCIALISM" about firemen.
It's kind of like how conservatives scream "DEATH TAX" even though no such tax exists. Sounds so scary, doesn't it?
#36
Posted: 7/2/07 at 12:05pm
Joe..
But the Peacekeeper missile sounds pretty as if it were decorated with daisies and marigolds!
But the Peacekeeper missile sounds pretty as if it were decorated with daisies and marigolds!
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men" - Willy Wonka
#37
Posted: 7/2/07 at 12:09pm
Joe...
Yes, fire, police, education, roads, etc. I agree.
Nationalized, government run health-care, No!
If it polls so well, why didn't Bill and Hillary get it through in 1993-1994?
Yes, fire, police, education, roads, etc. I agree.
Nationalized, government run health-care, No!
If it polls so well, why didn't Bill and Hillary get it through in 1993-1994?
If Tom DeLay is The Hammer, then I proclaim a new title for the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi: The Briber. Nancy Pelosi had to bribe her members with spinach to get their votes.
#38
Posted: 7/2/07 at 12:10pm
Using HDT logic, Bush should no longer be President. Right? HDT - things that poll badly shouldn't exist. What's Bush's approval rating lately?
Just using more of that stellar HDT logic!
Just using more of that stellar HDT logic!
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men" - Willy Wonka
#39
Posted: 7/2/07 at 12:13pm
HD you KNOW why it didn't get passed: Conservatives, funded by the major medical conglomerates, spent millions of dollars to fight it. You must remember Harry & Louise, HD. Plus, of course, the Mainstream Conservative Media went out of their way to tell people that it was BAD.
#40
Posted: 7/2/07 at 12:17pm
Craig, surely you don't believe you were using my logic?
I only said it polled badly. I never said that the Clinton plan should not exist. It was great that is existed. It not only polled badly, congress defeated it with great ease.
If Bush were on the ballot today, he would be defeated even by John Kerry. That doesn't mean that GWB should not exist.
Logic, you say? I'm not sure where you are headed with that.
Amnesty was defeated by an outcry of phone calls from the American people. It was defeated by the greatest bi-partisan coalition in more than a decade. The point is, if the American people (the voters) don't want it, it won't happen.
I only said it polled badly. I never said that the Clinton plan should not exist. It was great that is existed. It not only polled badly, congress defeated it with great ease.
If Bush were on the ballot today, he would be defeated even by John Kerry. That doesn't mean that GWB should not exist.
Logic, you say? I'm not sure where you are headed with that.
Amnesty was defeated by an outcry of phone calls from the American people. It was defeated by the greatest bi-partisan coalition in more than a decade. The point is, if the American people (the voters) don't want it, it won't happen.
If Tom DeLay is The Hammer, then I proclaim a new title for the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi: The Briber. Nancy Pelosi had to bribe her members with spinach to get their votes.
#41
Posted: 7/2/07 at 12:23pm
Yes HD-- which is why the conservatives MUST fight and fight hard to get their side out there. Average Americans KNOW that our helth care sysytem is a mess. Everyone has their horror story. In America, a major illness is the gateway to bankrupcy court for so many Americans.
So you have to TELL them that they are still better off with this broken system than any other solution. You have to get out there and tell them Michael Moore is WRONG before you even see the movie. You have to warn them that national healthcare is SOCIALISM.
So you have to TELL them that they are still better off with this broken system than any other solution. You have to get out there and tell them Michael Moore is WRONG before you even see the movie. You have to warn them that national healthcare is SOCIALISM.
#42
Posted: 7/2/07 at 12:24pm
Fighting hard is the very foundation of America. We fought hard to earn our independence.
Only a hard core liberal would decry hard work.
Only a hard core liberal would decry hard work.
If Tom DeLay is The Hammer, then I proclaim a new title for the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi: The Briber. Nancy Pelosi had to bribe her members with spinach to get their votes.
#43
Posted: 7/2/07 at 12:48pm
I wasn't decrying-- I was just pointing out the Orwellian overtones and refuting it.
Out of curiousity, do you have health insurance? Is it a good plan? How much do you pay?
Out of curiousity, do you have health insurance? Is it a good plan? How much do you pay?
#44
Posted: 7/2/07 at 12:48pm
It didn't get passed because conservatives misled the public about what the proposal actually entailed. The plan as proposed was for the uninsured as a group to work with private insurance companies for an affordable rate much like large companies get group rates for their employees.
The public is extremely uneducated about issues and consequently easily swayed and manipulated. The Republicans are way ahead of the Democrats in knowing what words scare people and how to use the media to get their message across.
The public is extremely uneducated about issues and consequently easily swayed and manipulated. The Republicans are way ahead of the Democrats in knowing what words scare people and how to use the media to get their message across.
You see, obsessions are very personal things, they come from deep inside us, where we are open and vulnerable, which is why I consider them sacred, not to be belittled....PalJoey
#45
Posted: 7/2/07 at 12:51pm
Well now it seems like you're accusing the Republicans of using (what's that word HDT bandied about referring to liberals... ah yes...) Propaganda...
Clearly you are a NYC elitist liberal, grnsmwhr :)
Clearly you are a NYC elitist liberal, grnsmwhr :)
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#46
Posted: 7/2/07 at 12:53pm
Yes, GRN, plus the conseratives have a might accomplice in the mainstream media which is overwhelmingly conservative and can relelntlessly beat the drum for their...uh...propaganda.
Thanks Craig that WAS the word I was looking for.
Thanks Craig that WAS the word I was looking for.
#47
Posted: 7/2/07 at 12:54pm
And when are you going to enlist?
#48
Posted: 7/2/07 at 6:33pm
I thought that Craig's logic meant we had to do away with the incessant use of the term "chickenhawk."
If Tom DeLay is The Hammer, then I proclaim a new title for the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi: The Briber. Nancy Pelosi had to bribe her members with spinach to get their votes.
#49
Posted: 7/2/07 at 9:47pm
HD could you explain that? It doesn't make any sense. Maybe you should stick to Cut n paste.
#50
Posted: 7/3/07 at 12:18am
Just think about it Joey, you'll get.
Do we need an IEP for you?
Do we need an IEP for you?
If Tom DeLay is The Hammer, then I proclaim a new title for the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi: The Briber. Nancy Pelosi had to bribe her members with spinach to get their votes.
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