Iran executes two teens for having gay sex- Page 2

[baddadnpa]

Posted: 7/25/05 at 4:01pm

Sorry for the duplicate posts - not sure what the hell happened. At least the avatar looks great!

[lildogs]

Posted: 7/25/05 at 4:05pm

I should have expected this.

Why the nastiness Joe? We're (presumably) on the same side. Do you think what happened 25 years ago has no effect on us today?

And just because the US doesn't drag people out into the streets and kill them in public doesn't mean that it's innocent.

Yes, the events in Iran are barbaric.

Yes, the US is not Iran.

But this does happen here, just not on the same level.

[AbbaRabbit]

Posted: 7/25/05 at 4:33pm

i couldn't even get through the whole article... that is just horrifying.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 7/25/05 at 5:20pm

now had one of them just been willing to compromise a little and convert, there would have been no problem.


presto change-o

[Greekmusicalfan]

Posted: 7/25/05 at 6:42pm

Well, I may sound really harsh and I really am a peaceful guy, but this is so outrageous. For countries that believe that homosexuality should be punished by death, the only thing that comes to my mind is Bill Pulman's phrase from Independence Day: "Nuke them ! Nuke the bastards" !

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 7/25/05 at 6:44pm

now yer sounding like a good republican.

[Greekmusicalfan]

Posted: 7/25/05 at 6:48pm

Oh God, am I ? Well, I don't really think a Republican would get upset by that story !

[thirdrowcenter]

Posted: 7/25/05 at 7:18pm

Greekmusicfan anyone would find it horrific.
On second thought, the chaps who use a pocket knife to behead..might not.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 7/25/05 at 7:27pm

NAMBLA is allowed to exist because you can not police thought. There is nothing illegal with those who fantasize about illegal activities. However, when a group like NAMBLA or the KKK PROMOTE illegal activity or engage in it, then they are under Federal jurisdiction. I understand that NAMBLA's web site was shut down because of this.

But, yes, what DOES NAMBLA have to do with this topic?

NAMBLA does NOT equal homosexuality.

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 7/25/05 at 7:28pm

I guess I won't be having a$$ sex in Iran.

[thirdrowcenter]

Posted: 7/25/05 at 7:47pm

NAMBLA does not equal homosexuality, of course. I just meant North American Man/Boy Love Association (I think that's what it stands for anyway) is clearly a club promoting pedophilia and the members aren't hung by our government. I'm not talking about consenting adults who are free to love whomever they please.

[Ad_Libbing]

Posted: 7/25/05 at 7:48pm

It's a story like this that chips away at my faith in religion and government, especially together. Completely horrible and absolutely unsettling.

[BlueWizard]

Posted: 7/26/05 at 12:49pm

Here's an article on the international reaction, this one from PlanetOut:

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Global anger grows over teen executions in Iran
Gay.com U.K. and the PlanetOut Network
Mon Jul 25, 8:44 PM ET

International human rights organizations are calling for action to be taken against Iran after officials publicly executed two gay teenagers last week.

The two boys, who were identified only by their initials, were executed for having sex with each other. Homosexuality is illegal under the Sharia law, which allows execution of children as young as 9 years of age.


The teens were also charged with raping a 13-year-old boy, although the majority of news services say this charge has been trumped up by the Iranian state in a bid to avoid international criticism.


Activists believe the boys gave their "confession" after weeks of torture. They were detained and subjected to beatings by local police for up to two weeks before their death.


Now, international groups are calling for stronger action to be taken against Iran. In Tehran Saturday, children's rights activist Shirin Ebadi said that the hangings violated the terms of the International Convention on the Rights of the Child.


Ebadi, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2003, told the Associated Press that her campaign to outlaw the execution of minors had "fallen on deaf ears," but vowed that her Center for the Protection of Human Rights would step up the fight.


In the United States, the Human Rights Campaign is calling for Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice to denounce the executions.


"As we have seen in recent weeks, the barbarous punishments for sexual acts in these countries run contrary to the letter and the spirit of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights," the HRC stated in a letter to Rice.


"For that reason, these acts must be condemned."


In the United Kingdom, Peter Tatchell of the London-based LGBT rights group OutRage! criticized the Labour party for trying to forge closer ties with the government of Iran.


"Britain's Labour government is pursuing friendly relations with this murderous regime, including aid and trade," Tatchell said.


"We urge the international community to treat Iran as a pariah state, break off diplomatic relations, impose trade sanctions and give practical support to the democratic and left opposition inside Iran."


Tatchell also said the country had become a "prison," with the ultraconservative state blocking any movement toward a more liberal, democratic society.


Elsewhere, activists are calling for their governments to publicly criticize the Iranian-sanctioned executions.


In Sweden, the Swedish Federation for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Rights (RFSL) has called on the government to update its asylum policy so that lesbian and gay people are not deported back to Iran.


"I think the Swedish government is extremely cynical when it sends gays and lesbians back to Iran," Soren Andersson told the AFP news agency.


"They keep looking for excuses to send them back there, but it is dangerous for homosexuals in Iran," he added.

However, Iran is standing firm on its decision to kill the two young men. Last week, ultraconservative deputy Ali Asgari stated that the punishment "served them right."

Global anger grows over teen executions in Iran

[MagesticKiwi]

Posted: 7/26/05 at 1:58pm

I'm torn between being violently ill and crying. I don't understand. I just don't understand how anyone could possibly think that this is okay.
'it served them right.'!
Normally I'm not a violent person, but I can't help wishing the ****er who said that burns. Him and all his accomplices.
And yes, in this case I do believe the word accomplice is accurate.
Updated On: 7/26/05 at 01:58 PM

[DayDreamer]

Posted: 7/27/05 at 8:47pm

A friend just sent me this...

"Here's a bit of 'background' on the story of the two teens executed in Iran:

Consensual gay sex in any form is punishable by death in the Islamic Republic of Iran. According to the website Age of Consent, which monitors such laws around the world, in Iran "Homosexuality is illegal, those charged with love-making are given a choice of four deathstyles: being hanged, stoned, halved by a sword, or dropped from the highest perch. According to Article 152, if two men not related by blood are discovered naked under one cover without good reason, both will be punished at a judge's discretion.

Gay teens (Article 144) are also punished at a judge's discretion.

Posted: 7/27/05 at 9:09pm

Hey JRB why dont tell baddadnpa that once you post something the thread can take a life of it's own? His question is valid and exactly what I said in another thread.

When I read Joe's and theatrediva's response to gay issues, I really have to think "with friends like these" and Theatrediva please don't tell me how many friends you've lost. With your rhetoric about a few of us spoiling it for the rest, it seems like you didn't lose them as much as escorted them! Self hater. Updated On: 7/27/05 at 09:09 PM

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 7/27/05 at 9:11pm

Chita33, why don't you get a life, darling, and quit dwelling on stupid things?

Posted: 7/27/05 at 9:16pm

why don't you go on a real diet and waste away?

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 7/27/05 at 9:17pm

honey--find some real insults. k?

Posted: 7/27/05 at 9:22pm

And by stupid things , you mean you and your posts.
Updated On: 7/27/05 at 09:22 PM

[Born2cthelightsofbway]

Posted: 7/27/05 at 9:24pm

This article disgusts me.

[BlueWizard]

Posted: 7/27/05 at 9:37pm

Back on this tragic topic....

"Homosexuality is illegal, those charged with love-making are given a choice of four deathstyles: being hanged, stoned, halved by a sword, or dropped from the highest perch.

That's absolutely horrifying. I don't like to judge other nations, but what kind of Nazi, medieval-torture regime is this?? It sickens me that being "halved by a sword" is condoned by any government.

[darkmist115]

Posted: 7/28/05 at 1:14am

and stoned to death?
i thought that was gotten rid of centuries ago.
it's absolutely terrible and disgusting to see what some people still consider right. and i actually had begun to think the Bush adminstration was bad.
oy.

and as young as 9 years old? FOR HOMOSEXUALITY?
i sense a real problem here....

[Forester]

Posted: 7/28/05 at 2:29pm

Seems that the case is being disputed by some human right groups.

http://www.southernvoice.com/thelatest/thelatest.cfm?blog_id=1786

"It appears that reports claiming the boys were executed for being gay originated with the National Council of Resistance of Iran, an opposition group that is classified as a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department"