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#26

re: Is Pornography Art?

Posted: 3/8/08 at 11:22am

I think it depends on what position.

"Fundamentalism means never having to say 'I'm wrong.'" -- unknown

#27

re: Is Pornography Art?

Posted: 3/8/08 at 12:04pm

" Especially when it is a forced expression of a vain ego."

Forced? vain ego? Please explain your statement.

BTW-wouldn't "vain ego" be pleonastic?

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Updated On: 3/8/08 at 12:04 PM

#28

re: Is Pornography Art?

Posted: 3/8/08 at 12:15pm

In order to answer the question "Is pornography art?" we first have to define art, and defining art is as hard as answering the question what is the meaning of life.
The debate is never settled.

we also have to define Pornography, which is just as slippery. *cough* but I guess the general consensus now is that they are opposites.

#29

re: Is Pornography Art?

Posted: 3/8/08 at 1:33pm

If you can throw it against the wall and it sticks, it's art.

If it slides off onto the floor, it's porn.

"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."

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#30

re: Is Pornography Art?

Posted: 3/8/08 at 1:35pm

puttanesca

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#31

re: Is Pornography Art?

Posted: 3/8/08 at 1:37pm

I've been to that restaurant before!

Too noisy.

"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."

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#32

re: Is Pornography Art?

Posted: 3/8/08 at 1:40pm

Bestie prefers his restaurants whore-free.

"Zac is sweet as can be. He's very much just a sweet kid from California who happens to have a face that looks like it was drawn by Michelangelo, (if Michelangelo did anime)."
-Adam Shankman.

"I haven't left this building since Windows 3.1!"

"Celebrating a birthday this week: Rene Descartes is 412! Do you know who he is? Then why are you watching this show? You could probably get into college and even get one of those job things. As for the rest of us; Amanda Bynes is 22! Yay!"
-E!'s "The Soup"

#33

re: Is Pornography Art?

Posted: 3/8/08 at 1:41pm

Who says?

I just prefer them quiet.

"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."

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#34

re: Is Pornography Art?

Posted: 3/8/08 at 1:43pm

pasta puttanesca means whore's pasta.

"Zac is sweet as can be. He's very much just a sweet kid from California who happens to have a face that looks like it was drawn by Michelangelo, (if Michelangelo did anime)."
-Adam Shankman.

"I haven't left this building since Windows 3.1!"

"Celebrating a birthday this week: Rene Descartes is 412! Do you know who he is? Then why are you watching this show? You could probably get into college and even get one of those job things. As for the rest of us; Amanda Bynes is 22! Yay!"
-E!'s "The Soup"

#35

re: Is Pornography Art?

Posted: 3/8/08 at 1:43pm

art is anything that is created. Period. By man

So before you flush the toilet, do you say "wow, what a piece of art I've created!"

The morning star always gets wonderful bright the minute before it has to go --doesn't it?

#36

re: Is Pornography Art?

Posted: 3/8/08 at 1:44pm

If you say it's art, it's art.

"Zac is sweet as can be. He's very much just a sweet kid from California who happens to have a face that looks like it was drawn by Michelangelo, (if Michelangelo did anime)."
-Adam Shankman.

"I haven't left this building since Windows 3.1!"

"Celebrating a birthday this week: Rene Descartes is 412! Do you know who he is? Then why are you watching this show? You could probably get into college and even get one of those job things. As for the rest of us; Amanda Bynes is 22! Yay!"
-E!'s "The Soup"

#37

re: Is Pornography Art?

Posted: 3/8/08 at 2:02pm

re: Is Pornography Art?

"So before you flush the toilet, do you say "wow, what a piece of art I've created!"

That's right-if you don't think I've seen this displayed in a gallery before, you have another think coming!

and it didn't belong to the gallery dog either!

<-----I'M TOTES ROLLING MY EYES

#38

re: Is Pornography Art?

Posted: 3/8/08 at 2:06pm

This thread stinks.

"Jaws is the Citizen Kane of movies."

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#39

re: Is Pornography Art?

Posted: 3/8/08 at 2:10pm

LOL, like most of the art I see these days!

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#40

re: Is Pornography Art?

Posted: 3/8/08 at 2:39pm

I think we can all agree that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But historically speaking, something doesn't become art until a group of wealthy, influential and manipulative folks invest money in it.

#41

re: Is Pornography Art?

Posted: 3/8/08 at 3:47pm

Whatever Art may be, we can reasonably assume that Cruel Sandwich has never been meaningfully exposed to it.

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#42

re: Is Pornography Art?

Posted: 3/8/08 at 5:05pm

"Whatever Art may be, we can reasonably assume that Cruel Sandwich has never been meaningfully exposed to it."

However, I think we can reasonably assume that he has been exposed to pornography.

It just doesn't seem to have helped.

#43

re: Is Pornography Art?

Posted: 3/8/08 at 7:08pm

Well, I guess we agree on one point since I never said that.

Jane2 - Forgive me. That comment was not directed specifically at you.

Forced? vain ego? Please explain your statement.

I'm speaking of those "artists" (and they are out there, because I've met them), who believe simply because they placed a crayon on a piece of sheet metal that it is art because they say so. My reply is usually, "In that case, it is not art because I say so".

BTW-wouldn't "vain ego" be pleonastic?

It depends on the ego. Some are large, some are small. Some egos can be large, but be supported with reasonable evidence, such as a successful career or superior intelligence or talent. I specified a "vain ego" as the superficial conceit to one's sense of self.

"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian

#44

re: Is Pornography Art?

Posted: 3/8/08 at 8:38pm

Thanks for giving the explanation, Matt.

See, I think" vain ego" is redundant. Anyway, oy, this topic is so complex! Anyway, we got away from the question "is pornography art," to what is art? So, in reference to the egotistic artists you mentioned, IMO what they produce is still art. Just as a timid churchmouse artist is making art.

I'm a purist on this topic, I know. But I really do still maintain my very simplistic definition of art. Take my students-Please!!! LOL. No, seriously, let's take a second grade class for instance. I give them an art lesson. I motivate them, using art prints, a little art history, and then I try to tie the concept in with their real lives.What they then produce is art, in my opinion. Some of the students will actually create something very good, but of course the percentage of gifted artists in any given class is going to be very small. However, I'm going as far as to say that even the untalented students have produced art. It may not be good, but it's their art. I gave them the materials and the spoken motivation, and they produced something.

That's how simple and pure my idea of art is.

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Updated On: 3/8/08 at 08:38 PM

#45

re: Is Pornography Art?

Posted: 3/8/08 at 8:39pm

if our resident useless sandwhich is watching it, it's most definitely NOT art.

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