Israel attacks Gaza Strip — Page 2
#28
Posted: 12/29/08 at 3:32am
I see. ok. Well, noting the title of the thread, and then your response, one could infer that you meant Israel.
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#29
Posted: 12/29/08 at 3:49am
well one would infer incorrectly
but with you people, its not a thread til someone's accused of being an anti-semite.
you people in this one, is you posters, just so you don't feel the need to infer anymore bull****.
waits for PJ to return with more accusations of jewhating.
who are you going to accuse me of being today PJ? Jose? HDT? Fenchurch?
but with you people, its not a thread til someone's accused of being an anti-semite.
you people in this one, is you posters, just so you don't feel the need to infer anymore bull****.
waits for PJ to return with more accusations of jewhating.
who are you going to accuse me of being today PJ? Jose? HDT? Fenchurch?
#30
Posted: 12/29/08 at 7:36pm
I really get upset and furious, when Palestine terrorists murder innocent people by blowing up themselves or anything else in Israeli cities, killing innocent people ! But I got equally upset, when I saw today on the news, innocent Palestine women and children, killed by Israeli air raids ! Unfortunately, it looks like Israel is NOT bombing only strategic targets. I was strongly against Hamas, but right now I really can't take sides ! They are BOTH responsible for innocent deaths and in my book that makes them both terrorists
And the worst part, is that this has been going on for ages and it looks like it will never end, at least in our lifetime...
Updated On: 12/29/08 at 07:36 PM
#31
Posted: 12/29/08 at 8:21pm
nextto- I've been humoring you all along. I don't care what you post here. Go eat some latkes, then do a coffee enema. You seem a little backed up.
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#32
Posted: 12/29/08 at 8:23pm
I'll make sure you make you latte afterwards Jane, I'm sure you'll love it, you seem the type.
#33
Posted: 12/29/08 at 8:27pm
Yes, I'm definitely the type who likes a good latte.
But I'd rather have some good latkes.
But I'd rather have some good latkes.
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#34
Posted: 12/29/08 at 10:12pm
There can be no peace until moderates in both cultures elect politicians who are inspired by peace.
But violence is the death of all moderation. There are no charismatic voices for peace among Palestinians and fewer and fewer members of the Peace Now movement every year among Israelis.
This is truly a situation in desperate need of Hope and Change.
Perhaps President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton will bring some.
But violence is the death of all moderation. There are no charismatic voices for peace among Palestinians and fewer and fewer members of the Peace Now movement every year among Israelis.
This is truly a situation in desperate need of Hope and Change.
Perhaps President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton will bring some.
#35
Posted: 12/29/08 at 10:28pm
Greek, the problem is that Hamas often stations itself in residential areas, so any attack on Hamas will result in civilian casualties.
Apparently, civilians who have homes near such targets are now fleeing so that they will not become collateral damage.
Until both sides are willing to live together in peace (which means BTW Hamas cannot be sending missiles into Israel just for the heck of it), there will be no peace.
Israel is responding with overwhelming force, and I think while the initial attack was justified, the continued attacks will only provoke further anger and retaliation.
Perhaps they are trying to weaken Hamas as much as possible before Obama takes office for some kind of tactical advantage, but to me, it is just counter-productive to any long-term solution. But, this is a common cycle - Hamas attacks and provokes, and Israel responds with a display of force. Both sides point to the other, trying to assess blame, while each holds some responsibility.
Until there is real leadership for peace, this cycle will not be broken.
Apparently, civilians who have homes near such targets are now fleeing so that they will not become collateral damage.
Until both sides are willing to live together in peace (which means BTW Hamas cannot be sending missiles into Israel just for the heck of it), there will be no peace.
Israel is responding with overwhelming force, and I think while the initial attack was justified, the continued attacks will only provoke further anger and retaliation.
Perhaps they are trying to weaken Hamas as much as possible before Obama takes office for some kind of tactical advantage, but to me, it is just counter-productive to any long-term solution. But, this is a common cycle - Hamas attacks and provokes, and Israel responds with a display of force. Both sides point to the other, trying to assess blame, while each holds some responsibility.
Until there is real leadership for peace, this cycle will not be broken.
#36
Posted: 12/30/08 at 5:29am
I do agree with PJ and YWW.
But just because Hamas hides behind civilians, that doesn't mean that Israel should show equal cowardice and go ahead with the bombings, knowing that innocents will be killed ! It's really strange for me, how, Jewish people who have suffered so much cruelty and injustice through History, can be equally cruel and unfair to other innocent people
And the non-involvement of the whole world, is puzzling and frustrating ! When the USA bombs a military target, a mile away from a residential area, every country is screaming and is ready to tear the US apart. Now that innocent people in Gaza are being killed left and right, the planet just sits by, not saying a word...
But just because Hamas hides behind civilians, that doesn't mean that Israel should show equal cowardice and go ahead with the bombings, knowing that innocents will be killed ! It's really strange for me, how, Jewish people who have suffered so much cruelty and injustice through History, can be equally cruel and unfair to other innocent people
And the non-involvement of the whole world, is puzzling and frustrating ! When the USA bombs a military target, a mile away from a residential area, every country is screaming and is ready to tear the US apart. Now that innocent people in Gaza are being killed left and right, the planet just sits by, not saying a word...
#37
Posted: 12/30/08 at 8:47am
It's really strange for me, how, Jewish people who have suffered so much cruelty and injustice through History, can be equally cruel and unfair to other innocent people
Violence is the death of moderation, GMF. It also is the death of innocence. After innocents have been killed on either side, the other side is no longer able to think of them as "innocent."
For many years, Greeks and Turks thought of each other this way, as did Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland and Hindus and Muslims in Kashmir and Christians and Muslims in the former Yugoslavia.
Violence dehumanizes.
That's why it will take a miracle on the part of Obama and Clinton: They must do something that will inspire Palestinians and Israelis both to think of the other as "innocent."
EDIT: Corrected "Bush" to "Obama."
Violence is the death of moderation, GMF. It also is the death of innocence. After innocents have been killed on either side, the other side is no longer able to think of them as "innocent."
For many years, Greeks and Turks thought of each other this way, as did Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland and Hindus and Muslims in Kashmir and Christians and Muslims in the former Yugoslavia.
Violence dehumanizes.
That's why it will take a miracle on the part of Obama and Clinton: They must do something that will inspire Palestinians and Israelis both to think of the other as "innocent."
EDIT: Corrected "Bush" to "Obama."
Updated On: 12/30/08 at 08:47 AM
#38
Posted: 12/30/08 at 8:50am
I think you meant Obama, PJ. But either way, I don't think our administration can do anything until both sides are willing to listen.
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#39
Posted: 12/30/08 at 9:36am
freudian slip, pj?
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#40
Posted: 12/30/08 at 9:45am
GMF - what is Israels option? Do nothing and let Hamas continue to bomb it while its leaders hides among civilians.
I know that in the past they have warned people through fliers that if they live near a Hamas site, that they may be caught up in the crossfire. They did this in Lebanon, and the fact that it well known by the Palestinians that Hamas embeds itself among civilians (for the specific purpose of handcuffing Israelis when they try and respond) means that many know they need to move once the fighting begins.
I heard last night that while there have civilian casualties, they are approximately 1/6th of the total of the 360 people killed as of last night. That still is a lot of innocent people killed, but it does show that they are not the targets. I honestly think Israel tries to limit the civilian casualties, but Hamas makes it impossible to do so.
BTW - Hamas has no such concern when it sends rockets indiscriminately into Israel.
I know that in the past they have warned people through fliers that if they live near a Hamas site, that they may be caught up in the crossfire. They did this in Lebanon, and the fact that it well known by the Palestinians that Hamas embeds itself among civilians (for the specific purpose of handcuffing Israelis when they try and respond) means that many know they need to move once the fighting begins.
I heard last night that while there have civilian casualties, they are approximately 1/6th of the total of the 360 people killed as of last night. That still is a lot of innocent people killed, but it does show that they are not the targets. I honestly think Israel tries to limit the civilian casualties, but Hamas makes it impossible to do so.
BTW - Hamas has no such concern when it sends rockets indiscriminately into Israel.
#41
Posted: 12/30/08 at 10:19am
Oops! Fixed!
Updated On: 12/30/08 at 10:19 AM
#42
Posted: 12/30/08 at 4:08pm
The following are excerpts from statements and articles in the Palestinian media:
Abu Mazen: We Told [Hamas] - "Don't End the Tahdiah"
In his visit to Egypt, PA President Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) placed the responsibility for the Israeli attack on Hamas, saying, "We called the leaders of Hamas, and told them both directly and indirectly, through Arab parties and non-Arab parties. We talked with them on the phone. We told them, 'Please, do not end the tahdiah.'" [1]
Nimr Hammad, an advisor to Mahmoud Abbas, said: "The one responsible for the massacres is Hamas, and not the Zionist entity, which in its own view reacted to the firing of Palestinian missiles. Hamas needs to stop treating the blood of Palestinians lightly. They should not give the Israelis a pretext." He called upon the leaders of Hamas to stop carrying out "operations which reflect recklessness, such as the firing of missiles." [2]
Director of the Palestinian TV & Radio Authority: Hamas is In the Grips of Megalomania
Bassem Abu-Sumayyah, director of the Palestinian TV & Radio Authority and columnist for the PA daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, reiterated the accusation that "Hamas blocked its ears… They should have had even a little bit of political and security sense, and not left the people wandering, and losing their way, getting killed and injured. It is clear that Hamas was struck by megalomania since they took over Gaza, which blinded them so they would not listen to any advice. Hamas behaved like a superpower, as if they have weapons and means like Hizbullah in Lebanon, and as if they can conduct a war like the July war [of 2006]. Hamas's people thought they have a number of missiles that can enable them to prevail in a war of such size." [3]
Palestinian Columnists: Hamas Could have Prevented the Bloodshed
Editor of the PA daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida Hafez Al-Barghouthi criticized Hamas for not prolonging the tahdiah, and for kidnapping Gilad Shalit: "Prolonging the tahdiah was a supreme national interest. Why hasn't [Hamas] prevented the aggression and the massacre? How many times have we written, and President Abu Mazen has declared, that these missiles [that Hamas is firing at Israel] as ineffective and contrary to the supreme national interest. Even Hamas saw them as contrary to the supreme national interest at the time of the tahdiah. We said, also, that the kidnapping of the Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit cost us 500 casualties in one year." [4]
Columnist Muwaffaq Matar called for creating an internal Palestinian investigation committee, and blamed Hamas for being responsible for the deaths of Palestinians in Gaza: "Will we learn the lesson, or are our leaders going to run away from bearing responsibility, as they usually do? If we believe in the value of men and in humanity, we should establish a Palestinian investigative committee that will reveal to the Palestinian people what happened, and why over 200 people have lost their lives and 750 have been injured within one hour, even though the calls for war, the speeches and the statements [in Israel], were abundant a week before the tahdiah ended… What did the commanders in Gaza expect? That the commanders of the Israeli army will let them know what is the zero hour, so that they will remove their people from the military and security headquarters?... This bloodshed and horrible destruction of our national institutions could have been prevented. It only needed political courage, moral wisdom, and adherence to the aspirations of the Palestinian people to live securely and in freedom and independence." [5]
PLO and Fatah Officials: Hamas is Responsible for the Deaths of Its People
Abu Mazen: We Told [Hamas] - "Don't End the Tahdiah"
In his visit to Egypt, PA President Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) placed the responsibility for the Israeli attack on Hamas, saying, "We called the leaders of Hamas, and told them both directly and indirectly, through Arab parties and non-Arab parties. We talked with them on the phone. We told them, 'Please, do not end the tahdiah.'" [1]
Nimr Hammad, an advisor to Mahmoud Abbas, said: "The one responsible for the massacres is Hamas, and not the Zionist entity, which in its own view reacted to the firing of Palestinian missiles. Hamas needs to stop treating the blood of Palestinians lightly. They should not give the Israelis a pretext." He called upon the leaders of Hamas to stop carrying out "operations which reflect recklessness, such as the firing of missiles." [2]
Director of the Palestinian TV & Radio Authority: Hamas is In the Grips of Megalomania
Bassem Abu-Sumayyah, director of the Palestinian TV & Radio Authority and columnist for the PA daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, reiterated the accusation that "Hamas blocked its ears… They should have had even a little bit of political and security sense, and not left the people wandering, and losing their way, getting killed and injured. It is clear that Hamas was struck by megalomania since they took over Gaza, which blinded them so they would not listen to any advice. Hamas behaved like a superpower, as if they have weapons and means like Hizbullah in Lebanon, and as if they can conduct a war like the July war [of 2006]. Hamas's people thought they have a number of missiles that can enable them to prevail in a war of such size." [3]
Palestinian Columnists: Hamas Could have Prevented the Bloodshed
Editor of the PA daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida Hafez Al-Barghouthi criticized Hamas for not prolonging the tahdiah, and for kidnapping Gilad Shalit: "Prolonging the tahdiah was a supreme national interest. Why hasn't [Hamas] prevented the aggression and the massacre? How many times have we written, and President Abu Mazen has declared, that these missiles [that Hamas is firing at Israel] as ineffective and contrary to the supreme national interest. Even Hamas saw them as contrary to the supreme national interest at the time of the tahdiah. We said, also, that the kidnapping of the Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit cost us 500 casualties in one year." [4]
Columnist Muwaffaq Matar called for creating an internal Palestinian investigation committee, and blamed Hamas for being responsible for the deaths of Palestinians in Gaza: "Will we learn the lesson, or are our leaders going to run away from bearing responsibility, as they usually do? If we believe in the value of men and in humanity, we should establish a Palestinian investigative committee that will reveal to the Palestinian people what happened, and why over 200 people have lost their lives and 750 have been injured within one hour, even though the calls for war, the speeches and the statements [in Israel], were abundant a week before the tahdiah ended… What did the commanders in Gaza expect? That the commanders of the Israeli army will let them know what is the zero hour, so that they will remove their people from the military and security headquarters?... This bloodshed and horrible destruction of our national institutions could have been prevented. It only needed political courage, moral wisdom, and adherence to the aspirations of the Palestinian people to live securely and in freedom and independence." [5]
PLO and Fatah Officials: Hamas is Responsible for the Deaths of Its People
#43
Posted: 12/30/08 at 4:19pm
i wonder how many of them, besides abu mazen of course, will be around next week or next month after daring to question hamas.
r.i.p. marco, my guardian angel.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
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...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
i'm a sonic reducer
he was the gimmicky sort
fenchurch=mejusthavingfun=magwildwood=mmousefan=bkcollector=bradmajors=somethingtotalkabout: the fenchurch mpd collective
#44
Posted: 12/30/08 at 4:43pm
Well, I disagree with the current Israeli government's use of violence, but once Hamas ended the ceasefire (the "tahdiah"), they made a unified decision to attempt to destroy Hamas permanently with this series of airstrikes.
Again, I disagree with the current Israeli government's use of violence, but Hamas doesn't want peace. They want only war and bloodshed until there is no more Israel.
Again, I disagree with the current Israeli government's use of violence, but Hamas doesn't want peace. They want only war and bloodshed until there is no more Israel.
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