James Barbour Sentenced!- Page 2

[Unknown User]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 2:54pm

And if the driver had stuck to Orange juice instead of Screwdrivers he probably wouldn't have hit that school bus. Why do people spend so much time justifying this? If you want to get a BJ from a minor be prepared to give a lot of them in Rikers.

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 2:56pm

*applause*

[iflitifloat]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 3:32pm

Exactly, Joe. Him: adult. Her: underage. Add in the power differential involved in his being "famous" and her being star struck and it's pretty unsavory in addition to being illegal.

[Yankeefan007]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 3:35pm

But who was the victim, who was apparently in the closing cast of Les Miz? Updated On: 3/2/08 at 03:35 PM

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 3:37pm

I misunderstood your question until you edited, Yankee.

Updated On: 3/2/08 at 03:37 PM

[AnnaK<3LMIP]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 5:23pm

Nothing excuses that behavior, obviously. I'm not justifying it, but as a high school student who sees her new English teacher the victim of a girl who wants to do whatever it is she wants to do, most teenagers know what they're doing. BUT it's this thing with sex as a teenager...it can be with adults or teenagers...this "thing" is that so many times teenagers have no idea what they're getting themselves into when they leave themselves vulnerable to that. The cons to sex as a teenager is not simply the idea that you may get pregnant at 16 or contract an STD. It can be emotionally damaging. I'd imagine even more so if you shared so much of yourself with an adult. I hate when adults treat us teens as children, but that's exactly right, in the end of it. This girl probably had a moment of bad-girl attitude (because let's face it - she DID know what she was doing), but realized later how big of a mistake it was.
As an adult, it is expected that he understands the naive mindset of most teen girls.
I've heard many people say (when things like this pop up) that their opinion on the whole matter is that it's very different if it's between a 35 year old and a 15 year old as opposed to..I dunno a 23 year old and a 16 year old or something. I really wouldn't be able to state an opinion either way, but it does surprise me how many girls my own age are in a "relationship" with an "older guy". If the adult wasn't in it for purely sexual reasons, he or she would wait until the teenager was older. That's what I think.

The only thing that bugs me a bit about the statutory rape laws is that a teenager could lie and say she's 18, have sexual relations with some adult who genuinely thinks it's ok..and in the end she may be 15 or 16, and he would still get into trouble. At least, that's what teachers have told us would happen.

[ScottyDoesn'tKnow]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 5:34pm

The only thing that bugs me a bit about the statutory rape laws is that a teenager could lie and say she's 18, have sexual relations with some adult who genuinely thinks it's ok..and in the end she may be 15 or 16, and he would still get into trouble. At least, that's what teachers have told us would happen.

That's when you ask for ID. Anyone at the age of 18 or over should have one. The law is probably there to prevent any adult from falsely claiming that the minor stated that he/she was of age when it may not have happened.

[AnnaK<3LMIP]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 5:37pm

But you don't meet someone who may look as though he/she could be 18 or 19, and ask or hope to see an ID as you're dating.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 5:40pm

it does surprise me how many girls my own age are in a "relationship" with an "older guy".

And those guys KNOW they are doing something illegal.

They get off on it. They get off on doling something transgressive. They think it's hot, and she's hot and they're hot for doing something they could get arrested for.

They also get off on the power imbalance.

And, in the end, they're probably incapable of sustaining a relationship with a woman who is their equal, chronologically, intellectually, financially or emotionally--let alone a woman who is more evolved than they are.

[bk]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 6:27pm

Yankeefan wrote: "And the only reason I know this? We have a family friend who just got out (8 months for tax evasion) and he mentioned that they were expecting "the Beauty and the Beast guy who raped the teenager" to come into that building soon (soon being yesterday).

Our friend was one of the few white people, and nobody there looks kindly on pedofiles, so Barbour better not be racist, as well."

I think your libelous statements are as reprehensible as anything Mr. Barbour did. He was not accused of "rape" - the sex was consensual and in the record as having been so. He was not convicted of "rape." He is not a pedophile (if you're going to accuse someone inaccurately you may as well learn to spell), he did not have sex with a pre-pubescent child. But isn't it wonderful that you can just hurl these accusations all you like all over the Internet without fear of reprisal? I think you should be held responsible for your comments, just as Mr. Barbour was held responsible for his actions and is now paying the price.

Or maybe will just call you a pedophile hermaphrodite albino Nazi theater queen, you know, just because we can.
Updated On: 3/2/08 at 06:27 PM

[Yankeefan007]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 6:33pm

Fine by me.

Anyway, you seem to have missed the quotes around the statement "the Beauty and the Beast guy who raped the teenager." The reason for the quotes being there? Our friends words, not mine.

And it just so happens I forgot to put quotes around the 'nobody looks kindly...' part, since they're a quote as well.

But you have to realize - people who read the story in the paper aren't going to take into account the fact that he didn't actually have sex with the person. People are going to see "...went to jail for sexual encounters with a 15 year old" and come up with their own opinions. For many readers, that means "rape."

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

PS: It's spelled "hermaphrodite." (See? There are those magical quotes again.)
Updated On: 3/2/08 at 06:33 PM

[bk]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 6:40pm

"t's spelled "hermaphrodite."

I don't know WHAT you're talking about. :)

Sorry I misunderstood - it just really irks me the number of people who are ignorantly hurling these words around just because they can. Glad you're not one of them!

[Dollypop]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 6:45pm

An adult who engages in sexual relations with a child is a "pedophile".

An adult who engages in sexual relations with a teenager is and "ecobophile'>

The two terms differ just a bit.

Thank you very much.

[AnnaK<3LMIP]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 6:45pm

PJ - exactly. I always want to ask them why they don't think it's pathetic that their "boyfriend" can't get a woman his own age and instead has to prey on the young. But, they do feel pretty damn proud of themselves for having caught someone older. Until, I'll bet, they grow older, and their high school memories are plagued by what they did.
The worst part? Apparantly, some of their parents know exactly what's going on, but feel as thought they can't do anything about it. Now, my father has always told me that what I do with my body is my business, and he has no say over who I date or what I do, as long as I don't do it behind his back. But "dating" and adult would NEVER go down, and I really wonder at the parents who let it happen. Unless, which can often be the case, these girls are just lying or exaggerating. That tends to happen a lot as well.

[Yankeefan007]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 6:47pm

Hey, I'll admit that I'm the #1 evil pr*ck bast*rd on this board (okay, maybe #5), but I read first, then comment.

Besides, I just wanna know who the victim was!


ETA - Dolly, I never knew that! Updated On: 3/2/08 at 06:47 PM

[AnnaK<3LMIP]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 6:49pm

In institutions like schools, even if the student is 18, they aren't allowed to involve themselves with a teacher, right? Is that school policy or law?

[wickedrentq]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 6:50pm

"That's when you ask for ID. Anyone at the age of 18 or over should have one. The law is probably there to prevent any adult from falsely claiming that the minor stated that he/she was of age when it may not have happened."

What if the minor has a fake ID?

[PalJoey]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 6:51pm

Dollypop--the word you're thinking of is "ephebephile" not "ecobophile," which is not a word at all.

But it's not a term used in legal statutes.

[AnnaK<3LMIP]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 6:56pm

Weird words.

Although, in Psych class once we did talk about some psychology behind pedos or..erm..ephebephiles. And sure, for many they are truly just sick. Ok but the guy in Little Children? I know that most people thought the film was so brilliant and you actually feel bad for him in the end and what not, but I couldn't muster any sympathy at all. Sad for him that he's sick, sure, sad that he's alone now, sure. But I truly couldn't feel sorry for him. The only one I ever felt sorry for was when Andrew Knott played Ben in the TV show Drop Dead Gorgeous.

What I think is interesting (if that's the word for it) is that statutory laws are not federal, right? I meant to say that the state can decide what age they're going to set the legalities at. Here in CT it's 17, in NY it's 16. I don't see much of a difference between a 17 year old and a 16 year old except that when you're 17, you're only one year away from being 18.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 6:58pm

The difference between 17 and 16 is 60 days at Rikers.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 7:00pm

i remember when 15 would get ya 20. unless of course, you've got a high powered lawyer and draw a judge who likes musicals and maurice chevalier.

[AnnaK<3LMIP]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 7:05pm

Another thing about the "victims" a.k.a the minor being taken advantage of. It's easy to define certain teenage characteristics. Everyone tells us to enjoy our youth and so on and so forth, but honestly, most, if not all of us, want to be older or thought of as mature, etc.. For some, maturity equals not wearing anything. For others, maturity means doing well in school, getting cultured, and being able to carry on intelligent, witty conversations with adults who would never be able to guess their age (as said by a girl my own age who does everything possible to make people realize she's "not an average teen girl"). For others...it means involving themselves with an adult who will make them feel much older and wiser than their 15 or 16 years. Whatever the reason for a teenager involving his or herself with an adult is, as all of you have pointed out, it's up to the adult to realize that their mind is really not in the right place. I don't like people underestimaitng teenagers, but as a whole, we are often rash and don't think of the inevitable consequences. Which is why we have so many DUI-related car accidents, teen pregnancies, death, what have you. Naturally, we all make mistakes, but hopefully we'll make mistakes that won't scar us for the rest our lives the way I'd imagine doing something with Barbour would.

Updated On: 3/2/08 at 07:05 PM

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 7:11pm

there is no reason nor excuse whatsoever for an adult to engage in a sexual relationship with a minor. especially not one almost half the adult's age. the responsibility is the adult's. the consequences will be suffered by them. there is no excuse. this was not the first time barbour went baby bangin'. i hear tell he can't even get it up with a girl over 15. but what do i know? just know a 15 year-old who turned him down. may he embrace his wifely duties in rikers with exuberance!

[PalJoey]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 7:53pm

Ouch.

Updated On: 3/2/08 at 07:53 PM

[Dollypop]

Posted: 3/2/08 at 8:00pm

I understand that he's being kept in "administrative segregation" for safety reasons.

Updated On: 3/2/08 at 08:00 PM