Jamie's take on the 2004 Election... — Page 3

Sorry to hijack, but it is an important issue for DC voters in this election as one of the first actions the Republicans took back in the day of Newt was to remove our voting rights in DC. I do NOT want to be part of either MD or VA (no offense javero). It would clearly be better to be part of MD for many reasons (VA doesn't look kindly on gay folks) but the lack of a vote in Congress is pretty pitiful.

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Gay couples can already marry in a religious ceremony and always could. I attended the wedding of a lesbian couple in a church (one of the thousands of Protestant denominations) over a decade ago. Obviously, not all churches approve of marriages between same-sex couples and they aren't under any obligations to marry them.

As an atheist, I couldn't care less about the religious aspect of marriage. The battle for marriage equality is the battle to get the government to grant our relationships the same rights that are offered to straight couples.

-Jerry

i do buy it, robbie. the first bits of information that you get in a crisis are generally the most unreliable, by not immediately jumping into the fray he gave the system time to sort itself out and process the information so that he would be getting organized information not just bits and pieces. yes, every ceo gets involved, but not necessarily at the immediate outset of a problem. generally in any corporation procedures are in plce to deal with nearly any eventuality and even unforseen events can be fit into a paradigm for which certain procedures can apply. at least at the outset. in this specific incident the first plane hit at 8:45, the second at 9:03. by 9:30 the president was on tv. i fail to see what more he could have possibly done than what he did had he immediately left the school. where would he go? get into a car where communications could be compromised in the event of an emp? stepped into a side room and told people who were already scrambling to find answers that he needed answers?

what sepecific tools should he have been using? should he have directed the air force to shoot down any planes remaining aloft at the time? should he have immediately ordered martial law? should he have leaped up al haig like and declared himself in charge and headed for the nearest f-15c and taken up a combat air patrol over nyc?

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This will probably come off as nieve but-
I don't understand why anyone in the government or otherwise thinks they have the right to tell Americans what is right or wrong about our sex lives. It especially discusts me that these people like the idea of making gay marriage illegal! It is truly sad and scary. Last night I heard a rebublican telling a reporter that he thought homosexuality was wrong because "they don't have the means to raise a healthy family". It made me wonder if this man had ever even seen a gay couple in his life. I know gay couples who have adopted and make the most wonderful parents you can imagine. It is really pathetic that this issue is part of trying to get votes in our country. I will be a first time voter this year at 20 years old,and have no confidence in either one of the candidates. It will be picking bad from worse this November.

An newyorkuniq - you have hit upon the very issue that makes the Republican party really despicable these days. They clearly don't want government involved in business (look at the FCC loosening ownership of broadcast facilities, cutting taxes for the wealthy, etc.) because big government is bad but when it comes to issues like gay rights or abortion, they are more than happy to have government step right in. The party is pretty self serving. Stay out of the lives of rich white christian folk and all bets are off for anyone else. To bring it back to the musical theater realm, it is very Jekyl and Hyde.

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*claps for Jamie*

I don't have as much of a problem with people being conservative and republican and pro-war and pro-life...

but if someone is voting for a President who wants to make unconstitutional laws against 10% of the American population then I'm not sure where that puts them.

I will not stand for ignorance, injustice and the manipulative ways of Bush.

VOTE KERRY/EDWARDS '04!

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...so he sat and as students went through their lesson he deliberated on his response and the enormity of what happened.


He sat there for seven minutes with that stupid look on his face because without someone telling him what to do, he doesn't have a clue! HE'S A MORON! And he's running this country into the ground! If you don't think the U.S. can be toppled, just take a look at history. This country is only 228 years old. Compared to some countries that pre-date Christ, we're still in our infancy. And boy do we act like it! We never seem to have a problem telling everyone else around the world how they should live. Just like an arrogant know-it-all adolescent! Always thinking that they're smarter, and know more, than everyone else. Well... many countries have been on top at one time or another in history, and look what happened to them. What makes anyone think that just because the U.S. is the 'super power' it is at the moment, that the same thing can't or won't eventually happen to us?

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Updated On: 9/2/04 at 07:48 PM

I think that the way a person behaves in the glare of the spotlight is a good testiment to their truest nature, nerves and all. I don't think he is a complete moron, but I sure don't think he possess enough intelligence to run a country. When you can't speak, it really does say something, and I mean that. You can say it doesn't matter, but I think it does (and I never read you denying that he was a moron, papa, just hoping Kerry would say it to his face...hmmm...)

And while what Bush thinks regarding gay marriage may not be unconstitutional, that in no way makes it less bigoted, and unneccessary. His morals wouldn't compromise his decision to go to war, yet they stop him from allowing people to be married. He IS an idiot, and a bigot.

That is why I said that I think the way he behaves when he is under stress is testiment to his true nature. It shows how base he really is when you get down to it. Though I admit that he is smart enough to take the advice given to him by those around him to stay almost completely to the right so that he is almost garenteed conservative votes, even if that means denying people their rights. I hope that Kerry doesn't underestimate him either... though it would be pretty funny to see him say "George, you're an idiot."

ahhh, curtain, i do so hope that you'll have that same witty attitude on nov. 2nd or early nov. 3rd after jfk makes his concession call to gw.

well, nys, he went to the middle in '00 and 4 million conservatives sat home and said so what. i won't agree with as far as he went, but i do see exactly why he went there. kinda like the end justifies the means.

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You know what? I don't care that Bush spent 7 minutes doing who-knows-what when he found out about the WTC attacks. That's a small, petty, superficial thing to pick on.

If you're going to pick on Bush, do it on his own terms. For someone who's so intent on stopping terrorism, he sure turned our attention from Afghanistan quickly.

For someone who's so compassionate, he sure does a great job of spreading hate against homosexuals and making financial life even worse for low-income citizens. For someone who's so conservative, he sure spends a buttload of money.

For someone who's supposed to be the honest anti-Clinton, he sure likes using deception and double-talk to get his way. And for someone who railed against Clintonian "nation-building" all during the 2000 election, he sure is a blazing hyprocrite.

If you're going to pick on George W. Bush, Jr., don't bother with "he's stupid," "he hesitated under pressure," or "he's a daddy's boy." Those are all circumstantial arguments at best. No, if you're going to pick on Bush v.2, judge him by his actions. Not his attitude, not the press' perception of him, and certainly not by the look on his face in a Florida classroom. This isn't a high school popularity contest. Judge the President by his Presidency, and things become pretty simple: Bush has to be removed from the White House. Now.

Thank you, Plum. Thank you.