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Kerry vs. Bush - Who Has It?
#25re: kerry vs. bush - who has it?
Posted: 8/4/04 at 1:57pm
c'mon, ck, that's always been the case. the traditional wisdom until recently was that the country was split 40-40-20 between republicans, democrats and independent voters (regardless of which party with which they choose to affiliate themselves). that 40% on either side could be reliably counted upon to vote republican or democrat without even looking at the name on the ballot. it has always been about the independents. which is why you always get a headlong rush to the middle during these campaigns. that's why this year is so very different.
bush saw 4 million right wingers sit out the 2000 election and he's gonna be damned if that's gonna happen again. consequently, he's run much more to the right than most any candidate in recent memory. high profile support of evengelicals and their pet policies has run rampant through the campaign and it can't all be written off as solidifiying his base (for the record i think it's political suicide, myself, but they're obviously not listening to me unless you see rick santorum suddnely not speaking at the convention).
the fact that the contry is much more polarized with regard to presidential politics is, i think, a direct result of the fact that massive steps have been taken both domestically and in foreign policy areas. this is not an election about nothing. let's face it, 2000 was not life or death, but a lot of people see 2004 as exactly that. hell, i do. the issues at stake in this election for better or worse will determine the direction of america for at least the next generation. how many supreme court judges will be chosen (conceivably none, can you say filibuster?)? what is the future of health care in america? what will our role be in the world? these are not "i want to spend $30 billion on cleaner highways and he only wants to spend $5 billion, who do you trust on highways?" questions. this is the future of our republic.
the next several years will, i believe, determine the course of at least the next generation not just for america, but the world. anyone who is not informed on the issues and realities at stake in this election should be horse-whipped. there's absolutely no excuse in the information age for someone not to know what is going on in not only their hometown but in the world itself. the information is out there. it's every american's responsibility to sift through it and come to their own conclusions. if the last election taught us anything it's that every vote does indeed count. read, explore, discover, listen argue, question, poke, prod and find out everything you can.
our future is in our hands, discover for yourself who you trust to represent that to the world.
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#26re: kerry vs. bush - who has it?
Posted: 8/4/04 at 2:22pm
Bravo, Papa!
ckeaton - yes, it does bother me that Kerry invokes religion - even more so than Bush, because it is purely political. However, it is BECAUSE it is purely political that it doesn't scare me, as it does with someone who is basically a theocrat.
DAME
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#27re: kerry vs. bush - who has it?
Posted: 8/4/04 at 2:25pmBravo again Papa. Very well stated.
#28re: kerry vs. bush - who has it?
Posted: 8/4/04 at 2:25pm
d, so, you hate the lie, but you accept the lie because you know that it is a lie?
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
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#29re: kerry vs. bush - who has it?
Posted: 8/4/04 at 2:27pmPapa - that pretty much sums it up - and the fact that it's wrapped in Catholicism DOESN'T make it any prettier for me - but I do know, from MUCH experience, that some Catholics are rather adept at putting on whatever face suits their needs at the moment.
#30re: kerry vs. bush - who has it?
Posted: 8/4/04 at 2:33pmdid you say putting or sitting?
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
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#31re: kerry vs. bush - who has it?
Posted: 8/4/04 at 2:35pmPapa - Those are the very select Catholics - the ones with the pretty dresses and the ability to damn you to hell if you don't get on your knees and . . . repent.
#32re: kerry vs. bush - who has it?
Posted: 8/4/04 at 2:39pmcue the python music since, my little loves, i've got no option but to sell you all for scientific experiments.
...global warming can manifest itself as heat, cool, precipitation, storms, drought, wind, or any other phenomenon, much like a shapeshifter. -- jim geraghty
pray to st. jude
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he was the gimmicky sort
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#33re: kerry vs. bush - who has it?
Posted: 8/4/04 at 8:51pmI don't know, I'm not old enough,21, but I heard stories from my older relatives who told me that people were afraid Kennedy was going to be the papal president. Thats the problem, people are going to start thinking very similar things... I mean we already have Rev. Falwell's buddy in the west wing
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#34re: kerry vs. bush - who has it?
Posted: 8/4/04 at 8:54pmI don't see Kerry being really 'Catholic' at all - except that it helps him to appear religious in counterpoint to Bush. And in this day and age, with the pope being held up as some world-wide moral authority (problems in the church notwithstanding) I don't think the same Kennedy problem will exist for Kerry.
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#35re: kerry vs. bush - who has it?
Posted: 8/4/04 at 9:55pmI hope, with every fiber of my being, that Kerry wins. For the sake of the world, please vote this cowboy out.
DAME
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#36re: kerry vs. bush - who has it?
Posted: 8/4/04 at 10:05pmYou are much nicer than I am. You call him a cowboy. I call him a Nazi. I know thats harsh. But sometimes the truth is harsh.
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#37re: kerry vs. bush - who has it?
Posted: 8/4/04 at 10:15pmDAME,I agree. More along, RIGHT WING nazi.
#38re: kerry vs. bush - who has it?
Posted: 8/4/04 at 11:24pm
I agree I hope Bush loses , though I have never underestimated the stupidity of the american public.
Last time Bush ran on several slogans
He said he was a uniter not a divider - well , he's divided this country more than any recent president.
He said he wanted to bring morality and integrity back to the white house - well, with his lies, his secret energy commisionns he blew that one too. Bush has neither morality or integrity.
He said he was a compassionate conservative - his trying to ammend the constitution to take away gay and lesbians rights , he's proved he is not compassionate.
Why anyone would support this worthless piece of s**t is beyond me.
As for log cabin republicans - they are just pathetic - equal to jewish nazis.
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#39re: kerry vs. bush - who has it?
Posted: 8/4/04 at 11:25pm
"As for log cabin republicans - they are just pathetic - equal to jewish nazis."
I love you too!
#40re: kerry vs. bush - who has it?
Posted: 8/4/04 at 11:25pmi HATE the fact that politicians have to constantly rant about religion to passify America. In my opinion, we'd all be better off with a President with no spiritual beliefs who wouldn't have to worry about keeping the support of their national congregations, since all they apparently care about are surface issues anyway.
#41re: kerry vs. bush - who has it?
Posted: 8/4/04 at 11:41pmI pray Kerry wins but if he doesn't there's always Europe (can't go to Canada since NAFTA, they will be forced to give you back)
#42re: kerry vs. bush - who has it?
Posted: 8/4/04 at 11:51pm
Kerry all the way. At first it was like, oh I support him because he isn't Bush. But now after his speech at the Dem. Convention, I like what he has to say and I support him because he is Kerry. I have a feeling he's going to win. I think the reason nobody can really trust Kerry is the fact that no one knows who he is. We know what he stands for, but we barely know what kind of person he is and what we would be getting ourselves into by electing him. I don’t think of him as pompous just because he’s a shady character. I like what he has to say, and I like the issues he wants to deal with, but how can I take his word for it if I don't know how he's going to go about fixing our problems? I don't care how he does it, he better make it ALL happen. I’d just like to know more about him before we (possibly) put him in office. But I do really, really like what he has to say.
I may be too young to vote, but I still care what happens to my country.
#43re: kerry vs. bush - who has it?
Posted: 8/4/04 at 11:56pm
"I may be too young to vote, but I still care what happens to my country."
Amen to that.
#44re: kerry vs. bush - who has it?
Posted: 8/5/04 at 12:58amwell, at this point, any gay person choosing to help Bush is indeed worthy of being called a few oxymorons.
#45Bruce Springsteen's Op-Ed in the NY Times
Posted: 8/5/04 at 10:31amIf you haven't read it, you must!
#46Bruce Springsteen's Op-Ed in the NY Times
Posted: 8/6/04 at 10:26amPlease, for the sake of the country, let it be Kerry.
Zola Q. LaPlaya
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/25/04
#47Bruce Springsteen's Op-Ed in the NY Times
Posted: 8/6/04 at 10:52amI'm nervous...
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#48Bruce Springsteen's Op-Ed in the NY Times
Posted: 8/6/04 at 10:54amShall I hold your hand?
Plum
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/4/04
#49Bruce Springsteen's Op-Ed in the NY Times
Posted: 8/6/04 at 11:12am
Kerry.
Unless maybe I'm putting too much faith in Skowronek.
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