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[mejusthavingfun]

Posted: 8/6/08 at 12:36am

"I can't discuss this with you b/c you change the facts to suit your argument. "

What am I changing? You can check my posts on here dating back to when I said Hillary lost. It's not just me you can check the internet and every major news outlet. How can anyone discuss anything with you, someone who is using dumb objectivity in his reasoning. Your statement made no sense. The primary season went on because Clinton thought she had another way of winning and she didn't.


"So, I'll just let you go on and follow your lying flip flopper of a Messiah without question. "

Sticks and stones. You can call him a flip-flopper all you want but he preaches the same garbage Clinton does only in a better voice.

Despite all of this and the "polls" watch the polls from the electoral college. Obama is leading by quite a bit. He will win. Partly because he is VERY popular but mostly because this country is in dire straights and McCain has nothing to offer.


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[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 8/6/08 at 12:37am

And I return to my original statement. I am fine with Obama, it is some of his supporters I have problems with...

But, seriously, we need to stop rehashing this over and over again, and both sides need to cut the other some slack. Obama supporters need to recognize that whether it is credible to them or not, Hillary supporters feel like she was treated poorly by some in the MSM and DNC - and - she also ran a very bad campaign, and Mark Penn is second only to Bob Shrum in incompetence.

Hillary supporters need to recognize that no matter the slight, real or perceived, Obama and Clinton have very similar records, and that it is in everyone's best interest to support him. He won, and whether or not we feel it was fair and square, it remains that he is the winner of the primary and the party's candidate. This ongoing back and forth only helps John McCain.

While some Hillary Supporters may be poor losers, just as many Obama supporters are poor winners.

Enough already.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 8/6/08 at 12:37am

Yes, but again, no one ever said she was. It was Bammy what was gonna do things differently.

[tazber]

Posted: 8/6/08 at 12:37am

I'm not acting like that at all. Hillary definitely changed her position on many things. But she wasn't crowing about how she was never going to do that and change politics.

At least she was honest and didn't try to convince people she was something she wasn't.

[mejusthavingfun]

Posted: 8/6/08 at 12:38am

"At least she was honest and didn't try to convince people she was something she wasn't."

uh Kosovo?

[mejusthavingfun]

Posted: 8/6/08 at 12:39am

Not to mention her plastic surgery.

[Chance]

Posted: 8/6/08 at 12:39am

She tried to convinve people she this massive amount of experience that qualified her for being president that Obama didn't, which was a LIE. He has more governing experience that she'll have in her whole life. Being a pushy first lady=/=governing experience.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 8/6/08 at 12:39am

Yeah, this thread has reached Godwinian proportions.

[Kasie]

Posted: 8/6/08 at 12:40am

"Not to mention her plastic surgery."

Oh, please.

[tazber]

Posted: 8/6/08 at 12:41am

"He has more governing experience that she'll have in her whole life."

Oh jeez, lol.

I tihnk this is pretty much done. Stick a fork in it!

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[mejusthavingfun]

Posted: 8/6/08 at 12:42am

What has disappointed me most about her is the Iraq vote and the Iran vote. Clearly she tried to prove to people she was something she isn't. Or is she? You can be anti-War and pro-America you know.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 8/6/08 at 12:44am

Not to mention her plastic surgery.

[mejusthavingfun]

Posted: 8/6/08 at 12:45am

I had to put that in, she is looking really great these days.

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 8/6/08 at 12:48am

In hindsight, I don't fault her for her Iraq vote - I do fault her for the Iran vote.

Hindsight is a wonderful gift, but not a realistic measure of the circumstances surrounding the vote. No one really appreciated the extent the Bush cartel would manipulate intelligence in order to justify the invasion of Iraq.

I have been against the war in Iraq since day one, but at the time, I can see why a sitting Senator for a state that suffered tremendously during 9/11 would provide a President with the power he purportedly needed to go after those responsible, or in cahoots with, the attackers. I did not agree with the vote, but I could understand it.

Iran, well, that is a whole separate story. She was trying to prove that she had the mettle to be CIC, and it backfired on her.

[Chance]

Posted: 8/6/08 at 12:52am

right she was trying ot prove she was somethings not, presidential material

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 8/6/08 at 12:58am

Liverpool, get over yourself.

[mejusthavingfun]

Posted: 8/6/08 at 1:01am

YouWantitWhen? - It's going to take years until we have a real clear picture at to why these people truly voted the way they did. They really damaged this country in ways that will take years to mend.

I think what has made me lose more respect for her is how she talks about the subject. At least Edwards admits the mistake. I actually promised a very good friend at my job to change my Obama support to Clinton support should she apologize for it. Sadly she never did. I thought she was going to in March, but she never did. It now almost seems as though she is being defiant. She's definitely not alone but I expect her to be unparalleled in her leadership. Even now if she were to jump on the ticket, she needs to let us know she knows it was a HUGE mistake and she is better than that.
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[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 8/6/08 at 1:16am

Mejust - I think she came really close to saying that in one of the debates, but it was close, but I do think it is easy to judge with today's eyes.

Whether it was political, or whether she believed, based upon the risks presented (falsely) by the Bush Administration, that the President needed the threat of war in order to really play brinksmanship, I don't know. In hindsight, it was clearly wrong to trust Bush and Cheney to accurately present the risks and facts. But, if they had in fact been presenting true facts, I wonder if she would consider it a mistake.

For what it is worth, that vote probably cost her the Presidency.

[mejusthavingfun]

Posted: 8/6/08 at 1:25am

I agree with it costing her the presidency.


I am also still peeved at Clinton and Obama for keeping impeachment off the table. It's just plain insanity.

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 8/6/08 at 1:49am

I can agree with you on that.

Pelosi is a joke, as is Reid.

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 8/6/08 at 8:10am

YWIW?, you hit it right on the head in your assessment of what is wrong with the supporters of both candidates on this issue.
Then many of them, went even farther than that, with insane and personal demonizing attacks on the other side. Here on BWW that reprehensible brand is most evident in some of the Obama supporters. Many Hillary supporters (not here but they do exist) did her a great disservice by acting like the very racist and hateful people that they were accused of being, and that she is not.

The Iraq war vote is a doozy, of course in hindsight it was a bad political move for Clinton.

Do I believe Obama would have voted against going to Iraq had he been in the Senate at the time? Not for a second. But that remains entirely a hypothetical hunch, which simply isn't the same.

Taking "impeachment off the table" is a dereliction of constitutional duty by the congress, it is a primary function of congress to keep the executive branch in check and for them to call the President to order when she or he oversteps. I understand Obama and Clinton needing to be out of it though, for the nominee of the opposing party it becomes simply political (even when it isn't).

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[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 8/6/08 at 10:47am

SP, as usual, you live up to your name.

The Iraq vote is not a fair comparison - a sitting Senator from NY (the epicenter of the attacks) vs a state official from a highly liberal district.

I have no idea what Obama would have done had he been in Hillary shoes - but from all accounts post Primary - he would have rushed to the middle, just as she did (or for her, arguably to the middle-right). Like you though, that is only a guess.

Pelosi and Reid need to be replaced next term.

I hope Obama wins and leads this nation to bigger, better and more American actions. And, I really do hope Clinton gets a seat on the SCOTUS, if that is what she wants.

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 8/6/08 at 10:59am

I can't believe you were up 'til 2 in the damned morning bitching about this. Y'all are gonna give yourselves heart attacks.



So...what does everybody think of those McCain numbers??????