LOL! Obama supports abortion "[a]fter a child's born"- Page 3

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 7:56pm

Oh boy, how fun to rehash this discussion.
PalJoey, of course you must, double standards are the new black.
(In a totally not at all racist way mind you.)

There is no doubt in my mind that the hardcore Obamaheads will blame Hillary if he loses, just as there is also no doubt in my mind that her staying in actually helped him significantly on the ground where it matters.

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[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 8:04pm

I also know I will officially lose my keys to the Obama fan club for this too, but there is truth to the "celebrity" meme at least as far as his supporters. I don't actually believe he lacks substance, its just sort of more like the fan-girls we see around here. Which tends to cause people to look past whatever substance there is.

Who can tell if they actually talented and if you have to ram through a thousand screaming fan girls who has time to care?

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 8:07pm

So Obama = Idina?

Where is Taye in all of this.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 8:09pm

this thread is a racist.

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 8:12pm

YWIW, the funny thing is I actually cut the part where I referenced Eye-dena by name.
I figured that would be even more trouble.
There is no Taye though, Obama= (Eydena + Taye) x (Krystin - christianity) to the power of NLB

It isn't the thread 'ambo, its me.
Luckily I'm still voting Obama or I'd be in prison, I hear the "Advance Guard" is rooting out my type.

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[mejusthavingfun]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 8:20pm

"I find it somewhat satisfying that now the Netroots folks are somewhat disappointed in Obama - he ran to the middle after he got the nomination - exactly what everyone attacked Hillary for doing - except she did it during the primary."

Uh let's just get something straight, Obama is IN THE CENTER. He has never been left and apparently doesn't want to be. Papa put up a thread earlier from the Nation that stated as much. I'm not sure where you get the idea his followers actually believe he is the "great liberal" because even when he speaks he doesn't preach gay marriage and bring the troops home today. He says the same things Hillary does only better. His promises are her promises they are the same shill we get from our party.

No offense but I really think some people on this board have a hard time discerning reality from what narrative the main stream media pushes. The only issue Obama vaguely has differed on was with the war. In the beginning he opposed it. Since that time he has voted to fund it and has fallen ranks with the rest of the majority of Democrats. You could point that out as a flip-flop but I can defend it by saying he was supporting the party.

Please for a second try and actually do your homework. He is not liberal. Papa and John McCain may relay that fact over and over again but the man is center. Just like Hillary Clinton. He is not moving there because he is there.

And about Hillary, I'm not on here berating the woman daily. I also have not posted anything I wouldn't say about Obama or any other politician about her. Paljoey seems to be on Obama-attack every chance he gets, despite the fact he said he wouldn't. I said during the primary she should stay in, even though it was over for her. Long over for her. I just didn't appreciate her party attacks on the man. He DID NOT play that game.

Obama is an amazing candidate and since we only have 2 and maybe a 1/2 I'm voting for him. I thought he was/is much more electable than Clinton and that is my opinion. I don't worship the man nor do I like his politics. I do however know that I hate John McCain's .

[PalJoey]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 8:27pm

He DID NOT play that game.

He didn't have to.

He had surrogates to call her "c*nt" "bitch" "Shrillary" "Billary" and "Hitlery."

[mejusthavingfun]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 8:43pm

oye, oh boo hoo! Hillary Clinton came with baggage. I STILL remember people saying during the Bill's tenure that she was the one running the White House, and she wore the pants. I actually stopped people during this primary short when they say Bill was trying to control things. This didn't come out of nowhere. Don't believe me why the hell is Papa allowed to call her the "Breck Girl" all the time? Hiltery? That is Goth's name for her and well I doubt very much any Democrats I know use it.

The Republicans started that mess and if you reverse it you guys would say "oh well she needed to be prepared for the general, God knows it would be hard for her as a woman, you know the country."

As far as "He had surrogates to call her "c*nt" "bitch" "Shrillary" "Billary" and "Hitlery."


Hillary was not only fanning the flames, she had supporters forwarding racist e-mails and people on this very board repeating utter nonsense. Her John McCain comment and Al Gore nonsense were inexcusable. I really lost respect for her when she had to sink to those lows.

The woman could have done it another way. Instead she fell back on people like you that cry "misogyny" to this day and sexism as the real reason she lost the primary. I'm sorry but Clinton is better than that. She gave it her all and lost. For you to promote this petty idea that she lost because people in our own party voted in favor of those labels is pathetic. The reality is she voted for the war in Iraq and it was a VERY BAD VOTE.

I however had real reasons to not like the women. She is with a man that accepted a MASSIVE donation from the Saudi monarch. A government that oppressive women daily. Counter to the very ideals she "fought for." Sure I have the same qualms with Obama, but I still think he is more electable. If it wasn't him and it was her I would do the same. I'm voting democrat.

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 8:44pm

Mejust.

The problem is with that while Obama may be in the center, many in the progressive movement projected him (in their own minds) to be much farther to the left than he really was. I remember reading a couple of articles on Obama that those who are not that familiar with his voting record and policies would project who they wanted him to be on him, and then be disappointed when he was not everything they imagined.

They made him into something he was not, and are now surprised to see that he is a *gasp* a politician.

[mejusthavingfun]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 8:50pm

That's fine Youwantitwhen, but blanketing an entire group as stupid is not very progressive. I don't know a single liberal that thought Obama was anything more than a inspirational man with ****ty Democratic policies. He doesn't even support single-payer-universal healthcare.

The promises he made during the primary are basically the platform he will run with and it is the same crap we would have gotten from Clinton. I'm being realistic here, someone like Paljoey was painting Clinton as this untouchable when in reality she bruises and loses.

Read that Nation article, then go back and watch the editor on Larry King. These "disappointed" bloggers are playing a game. They are making him a politician so he is more electable. He needs it.

[Q]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 8:50pm

I thought Edwards was the "Breck Girl".

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 8:54pm

I don't know a single liberal that thought Obama was anything more than a inspirational man with ****ty Democratic policies.

Yeah, all I heard during primary season was how the "politics of change" was crap. Are YOU delusional?

[mejusthavingfun]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 8:55pm

You're RIGHT! I take that back. That makes a lot more sense now. Anyways point is people hated Hillary Clinton (including Papa) and called her all kinds of stupid things before Obama was even elected.

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 8:56pm

Mejust,

I did not call anyone stupid. Those are your words.

Obama is many things to many people. And some of them are not entirely consistent.

Elected? To what - you mean to the Senate? Because he still has a race to run and win in November.

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[mejusthavingfun]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 9:00pm

"Yeah, all I heard during primary season was how the "politics of change" was crap. Are YOU delusional?"


They are change, its' the same line Hillary Clinton's husband used. There will be a fundamental shift in policy should we get a Democrat in office. We have had like 12 years of VERY powerful Republican influence in politics. Whether he said change or Hillary did, change is what we are getting. He is change, first of all he doesn't look like any president we've ever had. He's a democrat with very different policies than Republicans have to offer and he is from the senate. This is change, clearly he still has to obey the law and uphold the constitution. Bush didn't but Obama will.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 9:15pm

anyways point is people hated hillary clinton (including papa) and called her all kinds of stupid things before obama was even elected.

and your delusions are kicking in again. i never disparaged hillary. i disagreed with her on issues, but i never said the kind of things about her that you people did. in fact, i've spoken on more than one occasion of what a good job she did as a senator for new york. personally i found the way you and the other bambots treated her rather repugnant and more than a little misogynistic.

[Chance]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 9:47pm

Wait, wouldn't Obama be Taye?

[smartpenguin78]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 9:49pm

Did you miss the formula.
Obama is all that AND a bowl of nachos.
We must not exclude the latinos and the fattys.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 10:26pm

Anyways point is people hated Hillary Clinton (including Papa) and called her all kinds of stupid things before Obama was even elected.

Yes, but those people who hated Hillary were always Republican.

Until Obama's guru--a particularly nasty piece of work named David Axelrod who is every bit as Machiavellian as Karl Rove--decided that he would make Obama win the Democratic Primary by playing, first, the Misogyny Card and, second, the race Card.

So he set about fanning the frat boys (and the gay frat boys) on the left and in the media with all the negative epithets that Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh used to use against Hillary. And guys like Olbermann and Kos and Josh Marshall ate it up and spewed it out. And so did the boys of BroadwayWorld.

And then Axelrod set about twisting anything the often-intemperate Bill Clinton said as "racist," even though Bill Clinton is less racist that Jesse Jackson put together.

And the media that always resented Bill Clinton ate it up and spewed it out and so did the frat boys and the gay frat boys. And so did the boys of BroadwayWorld.

And that is how Barack Obama sold out the soul of the Democratic Party: by having David Axelrod paint Hillary as a c*nt and Bill as a racist.

All that being true, I still want her to be his VP.

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[mejusthavingfun]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 11:08pm

"And that is how Barack Obama sold out the soul of the Democratic Party: by having David Axelrod paint Hillary as a c*nt and bill as a racist."

LOL!!!!!!!

[Chance]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 11:09pm

Hilary didn't need any help looking like a ****.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 11:24pm

My point proven by the reigning Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh of BroadwayWorld.

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[madbrian]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 11:32pm

Will one HRC supporter, ANYONE, at least acknowledge the fact that they ran a crappy campaign early on? They expected the primary to be over on Super Tuesday, they ignored too many states, and got outmanuevered on the caucuses. She didn't 'find her voice' until it was too late. If they had run the entire campaign like they ran the last two months, they would have run away with the nomination.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 11:39pm

I wasn't one of those boys of Broadway World. Does that mean I'm a man now?

[StageManager2]

Posted: 8/5/08 at 11:41pm

madbrian: YouWantitWhen???? did, a page back.

"Hillary ran a terrible primary campaign - but she was not helped by the orgasmic embrace of Obama by the MSM."

Pretty much sums it up.

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