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#101

MAD MEN - The Final 7

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#102

MAD MEN - The Final 7

I've been struggling with it all morning, and I just have to say that ultimately I'm pretty disappointed with the whole Don Draper aspect of the finale. Basically, after an entire lifetime of angst and more than usually self-destructive behavior, and seven solid years detailing every single bit of that angst and self-destructiveness, all Don Draper needs is a group therapy session and a hug to reach total self-awareness, and it's all wrapped up in less than fifteen minutes of screen time. I'm reminded of Robin Williams banishing all of Matt Damon's personality problems with those four magic words, "It's Not Your Fault."


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." Thomas Pynchon, GRAVITY'S RAINBOW "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick My blog: http://www.roscoewrites.blogspot.com/

Updated On: 5/18/15 at 02:05 PM

#103

MAD MEN - The Final 7

I wonder if Don Draper liked apples.

#104

MAD MEN - The Final 7

"Basically, after an entire lifetime of angst and more than usually self-destructive behavior, all Don Draper needs is a group therapy session and a hug to reach total self-awareness."


Is that how you read the ending? I thought it was a little darker than that. I kinda loved the whole bullsh*tty 'I'm on a shelf in the refrigerator' breakdown that caused Don to finally embrace another man in that way. I couldn't help feeling these white, straight male problems are a little hilarious. More than that...luxurious. If that is the crisis you face ('How can I possibly receive love?') then you have a life of luxury and privilege. When shown against a backdrop of women fighting for every last break, for black people just resolving themselves to the fact that it's a white, straight male world, that gay people can be easily dismissed from the mainstream public sphere, all this sturm und drang about the white man's problem looks so friggin selfish and small. Of COURSE the Coke ad would run. I very strongly believed this morning that it indicated he created the Coke ad. But now...I'm having different thoughts. That ad is one of the most famous ever created. It capitalized on the peace movement and the hippie movement and it tried to make us feel good...about soda. Actually, about our lives with soda in it. Don started the series selling poison and he (in one theory) ends it doing the same. After all the angst, it turns out he's as deep as a puddle...or a Coke ad. Only a white man of privilege can have that moment of zen contentment and think it's a real breakthrough. Don Draper will never change cause there's just not enough 'there' to change.

Updated On: 5/18/15 at 02:19 PM

#105

MAD MEN - The Final 7

Yeah, that's about how I'm feeling about the ending. I've just got no other way to read it that makes any sense to me at all -- I just have no idea what to make of that dissolve to the Coke Ad, it seems that there's some kind of satirical intent there, is it a comment on Don's recovery being as shallow as his chosen career (this is what enlightenment looks like for Don Draper, a Coke ad) but that pretty well negates the real depth of feeling I saw Don exhibiting during that final session, and that beautifully played scene where he literally can't bring himself to stand up.


Points about Rich White Men's Problems well taken, but I always bought into it all before, and I always found the Problems of that one particular Rich White Man to be so well presented that I couldn't just dismiss them as easily as it seemed to me the series finale did last night.


And for what it's worth, I see no indication at all that Don went back to NYC and took up advertising again -- the show's never expected the audience to fill in as many blanks as that before.


I'm about to use a word I never thought I'd use to describe an episode of MAD MEN -- whatever.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." Thomas Pynchon, GRAVITY'S RAINBOW "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick My blog: http://www.roscoewrites.blogspot.com/

Updated On: 5/18/15 at 02:37 PM

#106

MAD MEN - The Final 7

I think I wanted more resolution about the Dick/Don aspect. The show started with him living a lie. But I think the public responded more to the advertising world of the 1960s and so the double life storyline was put on the back burner.
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#107

MAD MEN - The Final 7

Here's a piece that I just finished reading and addresses some of my thoughts in a far more coherent, accessible way. It also recounts Coke's troubled history as a white's only drink that successfully was overcome by the Hilltop ad. I think sitting with the finale (and the entire series) for a bit is going to be the way I digest it.


http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2015/05/18/the-annotated-mad-men-don-draper-buys-the-world-a-coke

#108

MAD MEN - The Final 7

AVClub pointed out that the hippies in the retreat that Don interacted most closely with are "doubles" of figures the camera lingers on in the coke commercial; in particular, a lookalike for the woman with the braids who does not particularly help him with transportation is featured in the video.

#109

MAD MEN - The Final 7

darquegk - I noticed that last night - the hippies/commercial face similarities. Something that I call a clever gimmick but dramatically useless. Very Matthew Weiner.



I loved the first two, even three, years of this series but it has been all downhill since then for me. I just read the Hollywood Reporter review of the finale and all I can say is - if you have to read that much into 75 minutes of a TV show, there is something seriously wrong with the writing or direction. Or both..

#111

MAD MEN - The Final 7

Great that should stop the chronic theorists. The master has spoken.

#112

MAD MEN - The Final 7

No one has a higher opinion of Matthew Weiner than he does himself.

#113

MAD MEN - The Final 7

Ugh, some authors simply should not talk about their work.


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#114

MAD MEN - The Final 7

For the record, I mostly liked the finale--but I think I like it a little less after reading Weiner's comments on how we should have viewed it. :P (He also either simply is not clear or badly quoted--the implication makes it sound like ultimately he decided that Peggy shouldn't tell Pete about their kid...)

#115

MAD MEN - The Final 7

As I recall, though, Peggy did tell Pete about their child, and quick check of Wikipedia confirms that that happened in the Season Two finale.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." Thomas Pynchon, GRAVITY'S RAINBOW "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick My blog: http://www.roscoewrites.blogspot.com/
#116

MAD MEN - The Final 7

Yeah, that stuck out to me to, but you know, the master has spoken!

#117

MAD MEN - The Final 7

She did. It was that fantastic scene where Pete tells Peggy he loves her, and she talks about how she could have had him, could have shamed him into being with her because of the pregnancy, but she didn't. Because she didn't want him.

#118

MAD MEN - The Final 7

Right, which is why I'll give Weiner the benefit of doubt on this one and assume he was badly quoted (or just, as he often does chose his words poorly in the interview.)

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