Melissa Joan Hart's haters on Twitter.- Page 2

[Jane2]

Posted: 11/8/12 at 8:28pm

"No, but they were supporting someone running on the promise of enshrining homophobia in the Constitution."

But that issue, which is all important to you, may not be the number one issue in the lives of others. Are you not considering that lots of Romney voters have no problem with gays whatsoever but other issues took precedence for them this time around?

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 11/8/12 at 8:34pm

Yes. I'm just pointing out that it's not a made-up concern.

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 11/8/12 at 8:35pm

Also I never said it was "all important" to me.

[Kad]

Posted: 11/8/12 at 8:48pm

And a lot of people find that view distasteful at best and enabling and furthering of hate at worst.

[bethnor]

Posted: 11/8/12 at 8:54pm

But that issue, which is all important to you, may not be the number one issue in the lives of others. Are you not considering that lots of Romney voters have no problem with gays whatsoever but other issues took precedence for them this time around?

ummm, on some level, anyone who voted republican did support homophobia even if they are not homophobic themselves.

consider this. say susan collins of maine was put forth as the presidential candidate. she was fiscally conservative but socially liberal. the likes of billy graham would hold his nose and vote for her for no other reason than she's republican and not obama.

in other words, EVERYONE wants fiscal responsibility. we can have the fiscal responsibility WITHOUT the misogyny, homophobia, theocracy, and lying to children.

and it's NOT just about gay marriage. at the hospital where i work, the number of patients who are depressed, anxious, suicidal, or insane because society lies to them about their sexuality winds around the corner. a vote for the republicans was a vote to say, that it was okay for society to lie to them. it's okay to let them be crazy and suicidal and confused when we have enough information to free them from these awful awful lies. and that's just in microcosm. just by lurking on this board, i KNOW there are dozens of posters who are on medications because they had to deal with the psychological scarring from the lies the republicans told them about their sexuality. the number of patients who needlessly died of HIV numbers in the thousands because theocrats blocked critical information that would prevent its spread. there should be apologizing for this nastiness, this cruelty, this inhumanity. but no! 50% of the population says it's okay to treat people that way, to ruin their lives, destroy their hopes and dreams.

it is not about marriage. it is not even about tolerance. i don't want to be tolerated by disgusting bigots like santorum. that's a horrible idea. i want them to LEAVE ME THE **** ALONE. but no. they say, if only you believe nonsense, we can change it. and if we can't change it, we can fire you. ENOUGH.

it is the job of the republican intelligentsia to repudiate this awful element of their party. they could have lifted up gary johnson or ron paul (who i find detestable). no. more palins. more bachmanns. more herman cains. the nominee sits down and gets the approval of that squalid little bigot billy graham (go listen to him rant about the jews on the nixon tapes). until this awful nonsense is dealt with, YES, supporting the republicans in some sense is supporting homophobia.

Updated On: 11/8/12 at 08:54 PM

[Jane2]

Posted: 11/8/12 at 9:06pm

Thanks for the replies folks.

[Jane2]

Posted: 11/8/12 at 9:11pm

"Also I never said it was "all important" to me."

It isn't? But isn't that what this discussion is all about? That the importance of voting Dem this year was a vote for equality? I think it's all important. I think that is the sole reason why there's so much hatred for the GOP

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 11/8/12 at 9:17pm

"But isn't that what this discussion is all about?"

I thought the discussion was about MJH's tweets and whether the response to her was in any way "unfair." That lead (if I was reading you correctly) to your opinion that some people seeing support for Romney as support for homophobia was not fair. I was just pointing out the way in which it might be reasonably linked to homophobia.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/8/12 at 9:20pm

I wish Sabrina the Middle Aged Witch would use her magic to make homophobia disappear. I think Salem was gay.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/8/12 at 9:20pm

I wish Sabrina the Middle Aged Witch would use her magic to make homophobia disappear. I think Salem was gay.

[Addison D.]

Posted: 11/8/12 at 9:32pm

I absolutely find it EXTRAORDINARILY difficult to accept the notion that someone who claims to love me--a homosexual man living today in the United States--can support a party that seeks to marginalize/criminalize me and then blithely say "Oh--sorry, but I'm too deeply enamored of their position on the capital gains tax to consider their candidate's explicit statements denigrating you and your life."

As the trains departed for Bergen-Belsen, I'm sure the Jews took great comfort from knowing that their neighbors supported the Nazi party in spite of their Anti-Semitic rhetoric, not because of it.

Yes--I'm playing the Nazi Card. And if you cannot understand why having a national political party demonize you as a threat to the moral fabric of the nation evokes comparisons to Nazi-era Germany, than you are just not very bright, in my not-even-remotely humble opinion.

Updated On: 11/8/12 at 09:32 PM

[Addison D.]

Posted: 11/8/12 at 9:42pm

And, NO--the Republican Party's desire to marginalize/criminalize my very existence is NOT the only reason for my personal hostility towards their agenda.

I also object strongly to their desire to eliminate the social safety net, poison the air and the groundwater, destroy the national parks, criminalize abortion, persecute hard-working immigrants, promulgate war for personal enrichment, deny evolution, abolish collective bargaining, deny women equal pay for equal work, and weaken/eliminate the separation of Church & State.

No matter what obscure reason you may have for supporting the Republican candidate for president, if you can choose to ignore all these other positions--none of which are disputed by the party's leadership--then, No--you cannot be my Friend.

Nor do I want you to educate/care for my child, invest my money, conduct my legal affairs or walk my dog.

Updated On: 11/8/12 at 09:42 PM

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/8/12 at 9:45pm

Well said, Addison!

[Playbilly]

Posted: 11/8/12 at 10:24pm

Testify, Addison!

[bethnor]

Posted: 11/8/12 at 10:49pm

this is how deplorable this whole story is.

consider this board, for theater enthusiasts. a few pages back, someone posted about the film version of breaking the code, the play about alan turing. there were maybe three replies.

the average american citizen probably has no idea who he was. for those who don't know, he was a mathematician in the 40s. his work was critical in allowing the allies to break nazi codes. some historians believe that he contributed as much as, if not more than, churchill to the fall of fascism. but his contributions did not stop there. all computer engineers agree he was the father of modern computers. without him, there would not even be a BWW.

unfortunately, turing was gay at a time when it was illegal in the UK. for his great service to the world, he should have been knighted. he should have been allowed to walk the lecture circuit of ivy league schools and teach the next generation of mathematicians. unfortunately, that he put his dick in another consenting male was deemed more important than contributing to the defeat of hitler.

first he was castrated chemically with estrogen. this in effect, gave him breasts. when this humiliation failed to "change him," he was offered jail time. instead, he laced an apple with cyanide and ate it. over 50 years after his death, a computer engineer read the story and was suitably horrified. it was only by internet petition that the UK government was forced to apologize for this appalling behavior. due to a technicality, turing has not even been given a pardon for the crime of indecency!

this awful crime against humanity happened nearly 60 years ago now. and we still have people in western civilization, who are still doing it! who still think, we can change it! the story by itself should make the stomach of any right thinking person churn with disgust. but the really disgusting thing is to wonder about all the british citizens who never got an apology. who rotted in jail or were given breasts, and whose names have been erased from history. now think about all the americans whose lives have been ruined like this, lied to, their contributions negated and destroyed. remember, the average american citizen doesn't even know who bayard rustin is--the black man who was responsible for organizing the march on washington. he was gay (and an atheist), and obviously a homo could never make any meaningful contribution to society, his name too has been erased from history.

modern american people like dash and hart who sympathize with the republicans but are friendly with gays want to pretend that such deplorable things would never be supported here. all evidence is to the contrary. anti-sodomy laws were overturned by the supreme court only in 2003. not even a decade ago. remember the circumstances which brought the case, lawrence vs tx, to light: police were called to a disturbance. they found lawrence having congress with another man. under tx law, both men were arrested, jailed, fined, and all around humiliated. who made the original phone call? a jealous male ex-lover.

the republicans were serious about bachmann, perry, and santorum as candidates. they were not just joking when they supported legislation that says that you can be fired for your sexual preference. they really meant it. and the most disgusting incident of all happened on national tv. a soldier, who happened to be gay, was booed by puerile idiots in the crowd. not one of the cowards on stage who presumed to lead this country said anything. who is to say, that if instead of boos, rocks were thrown, that they would have acted differently or stepped up to the plate? there's no evidence for that at all.

anyone who thinks LGBT are supporting obama just because of gay marriage doesn't know anything at all. on many levels, most probably know that it is inching forward... but that's a helluvalot better than falling backwards.



Updated On: 11/8/12 at 10:49 PM

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/8/12 at 11:16pm

bethnor for President of BWW!

[StockardFan]

Posted: 11/9/12 at 1:24pm

What hit show is she on? I haven't seen her on anything since Sabrina the Teenage Witch.

[doodlenyc]

Posted: 11/9/12 at 1:28pm

She stunk up the floor on DWTS.

[strummergirl]

Posted: 11/9/12 at 1:57pm

She was on Clarissa Explains it All and Sabrina the Teenage Witch so there may be some 90s nostalgia rose-colored glasses people have with her, such as the OP. The current show songanddanceman2 referred to was Melissa & Joey with equally has-been Joey Lawrence. Never seen the show but I am pretty sure Gilmore Girls re-runs are stronger ratings performers than that show since it is not even close to the most high-profile original programming on the network.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/9/12 at 1:57pm

Sensible people are saying this:

If Republicans drop their opposition to gay marriage, the chances that Democrats will continue to pick up majorities of new and young voters will diminish. Gay issues are the civil rights issue of the time. Many of these voters see the party's implacable opposition to equal treatment for gays and simply turn away. The GOP is killing itself by giving libertarian-leaning younger voters a reason to think that the party is held hostage by a loud minority.

Rightwing nuts—including the rightwing nut that the GOP asked to write the anti-gay "family" plank in the 2012 Republican Platform—are promising civil disobedience and "revolution" if gay marriage is becomes law. Which has me wondering...

If the GOP drops its opposition to gay marriage—and gay adoption and gay employment protections and gay existence—a huge chunk of the GOP base will revolt. And they'll walk. Then they'll go Dixiecrat on the Republican party's ass. So... who'll be the Republican party's George Wallace, I wonder? My money is on Santorum with Mike Huckabee as his running mate. Any other ideas about who the Homophobican nominee might be in 2016 or 2020?
Anti-Gay Now, Anti-Gay Tomorrow, Anti-Gay Forever!

[StockardFan]

Posted: 11/9/12 at 2:01pm

Is Melissa and Joey even on any more? I don't think I've ever seen it.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/9/12 at 2:04pm

Are we sure this conversation isn't better suited for TalkTvWorld.Com?

[StockardFan]

Posted: 11/9/12 at 2:06pm

LOL, you're probably right.

[Kad]

Posted: 11/9/12 at 2:58pm

Addison- if you didn't play the Nazi card, I was going to. I know this is beyond cliche and quoted to death, but I can't help to think of Niemoller's "First they came for the communists..."

It's cliche, but true... and very apt for the whole "defense" of voting for Romney despite supposedly having sympathy toward LGBT rights.

Do they not think that the GOP cares they are voting for a candidate due to one of his stances but not another?

[strummergirl]

Posted: 11/9/12 at 3:07pm

I think it is much more likely for conservatives to soften their views on Latinos, including dropping the loaded, hostile term of 'illegals'. You already saw Hannity that he 'evolved' on the issue. They think they can reach Latinos through religion and small business appeal. I really do not think the Tea Party, that still makes a good chunk of the caucus (you can actually say the elections did the a favor by killing off their most incendiary voices, though I think Rand Paul is incendiary enoughh by himself), is going to also drop their moral majority stance. Their approach with minorities is going to be get the parents and grandparents of the young voting bloc than the kids themselves.

The Republicans who will be for gay marriage will be around urban areas and above the Mason-Dixon line who are the 'live and let live' people but I don't think anybody will run on LGBT-friendly platform. And the rest of those who support will either be outgoing/retired members of elected office with no effect beyond rhetoric or people who got kicked out of the party.