My unpopular opinions-does anyone agree?

[Jane2]

Posted: 12/22/05 at 9:34am

This is about 2 films-Brokeback Mountain and Rent. I didn't find anything more remarkable about Brokeback Mountain than any other love story. In fact, it was less effective to me because I didn't feel any chemistry between the two men other than lust.

Rent- I liked the show but I didn't even watch the entire film.

This post isn't meant to offend anyone here-I know both these movies are favorites on the board. I'm just asking if anyone agrees with me. thanks!

[SonofMammaMiaSam]

Posted: 12/22/05 at 9:37am

You bet I do Jane.

[Elphaba]

Posted: 12/22/05 at 9:39am

Rent- I liked the show but I didn't even watch the entire film.

in my humble opinion....people who do NOT watch an entire film really have no right to say anything about it.....especially if all they say is they didn't like it, yet give no reason why.....

you are just trying to start something.....and those of us with intelligence, won't play.

[Jane2]

Posted: 12/22/05 at 9:45am

Thanks, son of MMS.

Elphaba-those who do not know the person who posts should never even begin to presume what is in their mind when they want to express an opinion. Are you not able to respect anyone's opinion if it differs from yours? Not very intelligent in my book. And certainly intolerant.

[RobbO]

Posted: 12/22/05 at 9:47am

in the case of brokeback mountain, i think you're probably too young and/or naive to understand and see the parts of the movie that were not "lustful." i think you only see the "lust" because it was an obvious aspect of the film but there are many more subtle elements to the movie that you obviously could not comprehend.

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[Elphaba]

Posted: 12/22/05 at 9:52am

scuse me, this is an open forum DEAR......and if you can't deal with comments to your opinions, then perhaps you need a board where you can just make silly posts. GIVE AN OPINION.......as actually you did not.....you said 'Gee I don't like RENT, and didn't see all of it'....that's NOT an opinion, that's just someone babbling.....tell us WHY you didn't like it, THAT'S an opinion ...NOT very intelligent to NOT give an opinion..(especially when your subject says you have one).....what are you, 11? And let's not talk about intolerant, LOL......as to get SO upset about someone commenting on your post is DAMN intolerant....again, are you older than 11?
We have many mature kids here who HAVE opinions, and GIVE THEM......learn or leave.......and stop wasing space and time.

there is NOTHING wrong if you don't like RENT and brokeback, but be astute enough to give us your opinion why........otherwise, as previosuly mentioned, it's babble.

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[Jane2]

Posted: 12/22/05 at 10:07am

Oh please my dears-thanks for compliment-I do wish I were still 11! Ah, the joys of youth. But alas, no, you're both so wrong.

I won't even address your silly attacks on me. I'm sighing because this truly is not a board for me-you're right on that one. I saw that I could not post an unpopular opinion without being accused of being unintelligent, eleven years old, not understanding the films, and whatever else you conjured up.

Good day.

[KelRel]

Posted: 12/22/05 at 10:10am

So why post then? I have to agree that if you are not going to acctually post your informed opinion then there is no need for you to post at all. You are just trying to stir up trouble. Brokeback Mountain and Rent are two "hot buttons" right now and they are the two movies you chose to bring up. If you don't like them fine, but at least justify it. I must also agree that if you want to form an opinion about a movie you should at least finish it.

[RobbO]

Posted: 12/22/05 at 10:13am

jane2, i'm not saying your opinion is wrong. somms and i have debated this too but he has valid reasons that he has expressed about why he doesn't think brokeback is a love story for the ages.

your post (regardless of your age) comes across as being very juvenile and not thought out. and your response just confirms my suspicions about you being very young.

i haven't responded to anything about rent because you never formed a complete thought about the film (which i honestly did not think was that great, incidently, but i stated why i think it failed as a film).

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Posted: 12/22/05 at 10:15am

Kel, if "informed opinion" were the requirement for posts there would hardly be anything to read because no one would be allowed to post.

Can't use that as the criteria.
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[shameless]

Posted: 12/22/05 at 10:16am

Jane2, I'm not attacking you or questioning your intelligence, but did you happen to glance at the board before starting this thread? There are many opinion threads about both movies and there are others who agree with you.

[KelRel]

Posted: 12/22/05 at 10:17am

Jose`, touche` my friend. Oh well, how about an attempt at an informed opinion, or is that still asking too much?

[SonofMammaMiaSam]

Posted: 12/22/05 at 10:18am

Wise beyond her alleged years.

[KelRel]

Posted: 12/22/05 at 10:18am

SOMMS, me? *blush*

[Jane2]

Posted: 12/22/05 at 10:20am

Kel Rel- I already stated why I didn't think Brokeback was remarkable. As for Rent- I thought that my simply stating I didn't finish watching it would have implied something very subtle but I'll tell you why I took out the dvd. The show had a spirit and enthusiasm that could never be matched. Perhaps because I saw it shortly after it opened and the tragedy of Jonathan's death was still quite fresh. The cast felt deeply for him and you could feel it in the audience. That was what I liked about the show. I wasn't a fan of the actual story as much as the enthusiasm. Maybe this is a generational thing-I'm much older than the demographic for the show. So-for the film, I didn't feel that same raw spirit you got in the audience. To me it was just another musical on film.

Now I was honest with you and I expect the same respect for posting my opinion that anyone else would get here. If not, then this truly is not an open board where all opinions are welcomed.

[Elphaba]

Posted: 12/22/05 at 10:26am

finally your opinion.....!

you said "but I'll tell you why I took out the dvd."

You have a DVD of RENT? I would love one, where did you get it.

you said "Maybe this is a generational thing-I'm much older than the demographic for the show. So-for the film, I didn't feel that same raw spirit you got in the audience"

I question that....I am 53 in 4 months, and actually felt MORE raw emotion than I ever did seeing the play.

I respect your opinion.......just remember to TELL US your opinion, when you make such a big deal about having one.

I may question your opinion, when you DO give one.......but I will always respect it.

We get far too many "bash and trashers" here...they bash, trash and run......and your post was very typical of them.

Had you done a search on the ON-topic board where this belongs you would have already found at least three posts on this very subject.

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[KelRel]

Posted: 12/22/05 at 10:26am

Jane2, that is more of the "opinion" we were looking for. I can understand your dislike of the movie based on those merits. I came into the fold, so to speak, when I was 18 and I was just beginning to discover who I was as a person and find the courage to live my own life. Mimi's passion for life grabbed me and to this day has yet to let go. I have never seen the show on Broadway, but I have seen two different touring companies, both of which were great. The movie gives me a glimpse into what Rent was supposed to be in my mind because it has the OBC (for the most part) and I feel that because of what they lived through with Jonathan they are the ones who capture the essence of the characters. For me Rent was a good film experience. I can understand how it did not live up to your expectations after having lived through the beginnings of the show. Opinion expressed and accepted and respected. What more do you want from an open board?

Edit- I want to know where you got the DVD too!

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[RobbO]

Posted: 12/22/05 at 10:27am

okay, great jane, that's a start. i agree that the enthusiasm of the stage version of rent was missing from the movie. i told people who had not seen the play that they probably would not get into the movie as many scenes seemed forced or overly staged. their was an energy missing and odd choices many in the direction of the film by columbus.

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER
(for brokeback mountain)

with respect to the other film you said that you only saw "lust" in brokeback mountain. for me, i thought the looks jack gave ennis was very sweet and loving, the fact that he would drive 14 hours to see him was a loving act, the way ennis came up behind jack and hold him tight in his arms was loving.

also, the fact that jack saved ennis' shirt for 20 years was loving and sweet. then, ennis did the same with jack's shirt.

an image that sticks with me is the shot of the two shirts hanging over each other inside ennis' closet with a postcard of brokeback mountain.

to me that's more than lust. jack could have (and did) find sex elsewhere whereas he kept coming back to ennis because of their connection. ennis never was with another man other than jack.

if all he was looking for was sex, certainly he could have found that in his own state and not be tortured by his love for jack for over 20 years.

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[SonofMammaMiaSam]

Posted: 12/22/05 at 10:29am

Merry, merry! Happy, happy!

[KelRel]

Posted: 12/22/05 at 10:29am

*CRAP* RobbO, thanks for the spoiler warning. I am waiting to see this movie and trying to avoid knowing what happens as much as possible...

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 12/22/05 at 10:31am

if not, then this truly is not an open board where all opinions are welcomed.

oh please. cry me a river. people here respect your right to have an opinion, not necessarily the opinion itself. just as it should be. otherwise you'd have people who'd say, "tom cruise is a brilliant thinker and the world would be a much better place if everyone listened to him," and expect to be taken seriously. ya expected that your opinion might be unpopular, yet you cry like a slapped baby when folks fulfill your expectations. i'm so sick of whiny freakin' posters, gay cowboys and lazy b*tches who won't pay their rent.

[SonofMammaMiaSam]

Posted: 12/22/05 at 10:32am

I'm moist.

[DG]

Posted: 12/22/05 at 10:32am

papa - can I have one of your shirts to hang in my closet?

[Jane2]

Posted: 12/22/05 at 10:32am

Thank you both for your understanding. At the show, I was the first to jump up with my standing O. I even waited outside to tell the cast how I felt, but you know, I actually liked the story and music of Tick Tick Boom more than Rent. What songs! I play that cd more than any other.

As for dvd, I was viewing it at the home of a member of the academy.

[RobbO]

Posted: 12/22/05 at 10:33am

this, to me, is a very loving image.