New AP Poll: Clinton Leads McCain and Obama Nationwide

[PalJoey]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 12:19pm

The Associated Press.

Poll: Clinton leads McCain

By LIZ SIDOTI – 1 hour ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton has a better chance than Barack Obama of beating Republican John McCain, according to a new Associated Press-Ipsos poll that bolsters her argument that she is more electable in the fall than her rival for the Democratic nomination.

The survey released Monday gives Clinton a fresh talking point as she works to convince pivotal undecided superdelegates to side with her in the drawn-out Democratic primary fight.

Clinton, who won the Pennsylvania primary last week, has gained ground this month in a hypothetical head-to-head match up with the GOP nominee-in-waiting; she now leads McCain, 50 percent to 41 percent, while Obama remains virtually tied with McCain, 46 percent to 44 percent.

Poll: Clinton leads McCain

[PalJoey]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 1:06pm

And the new SUSA poll has her ahead in Indiana by 9.
Survey USA Results: Which Democratic Presidential Candidate Would Indiana Vote For?

[BkCollector]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 1:09pm

and yet she still can't win.

[madbrian]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 1:10pm

PJ - what do you think will be the net gain/loss of delegates on 5/6?

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 1:18pm

bk, you are clearly the sock puppet of mejust. How pathetic.

She can't win? Well, clearly, she is in the current polls. But, keep to your delusions.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 1:25pm

Doesn't matter anymore. Seriously.

Neither candidate will have 2025 (minus FL and MI) or 2208 (counting them), so it's all about electability.

[madbrian]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 1:28pm

So, you're expecting her to get almost 70% of the remaining uncomitted superdelegates, or are you thinking committed superdelegates will defect to her?

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 1:29pm

but pj, haven't ya heard? howard dean and some anonymous "party elders" are demanding that the supes pick a candidate in june. demanding. in june.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 1:34pm

By my count there are between 714 and 749 unaligned delegates between the primaries and the uncommitted supers--enough to put either of them over, but most likely they will split so that neither has the requisite number.

But I never liked math much.

I leave "doing the math" (repulsive phrase!) to Karl Rove and Obama supporters.

[Auggie27]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 3:41pm

Only points up how ludicrous the impotent and red-faced Dean's ultmatum truly is. If Hillary wins Indiana, and it looks like she certainly might, this goes to the convention. I don't know another Obama supporter who doesn't recognize that reality. We're back to dream team fantasies again -- and getting Howard Dean a job as a country doctor in upstate Vermont, away from the Democratic party and MSM.

[tazber]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 3:46pm

Amen Auggie.

He's "demanding" that one candidate drops out in June.
Can the party really force one of them to drop out? Will the candidate care?

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 4:04pm

i really hope they try, taz.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 4:27pm

The "Dream Team" idea is dreamy!

I actually believe that Obama's AA and youth base will stay with him as Hillary's VP, understanding from his reassurances that the two of them can create a progressive coalition that could last beyond her two terms and his two terms.

The ones I'm more concerned about are the Obama supporters from the foul-mouthed Hillary-hating "educated white" demographic--the ones who have out-AnnCoultered Ann Coulter in their invective.

They're so invested in their conspiracy theories that I can only see them abandoning the Dream Team and voting for Nader.

[Auggie27]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 4:39pm

I don't know, PJ, I've been a real offender, at this board and with Clinton-supporting friends, but I'm sensing a level of campaign fatigue like any other -- and also, a unifying loathing of the McCain candidacy.

I've just decided to affirm our potential unification as a party rather than wring my hands. I have no evidence, anecodotal or otherwise, to support a burst of optimism. Just a strong gut feeling that the last 8 years having bonded more than divided Democrats. I'm ready to support any configuration of the dream team if it means success and forward movement.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 4:45pm

there's no way bammy accepts the 2nd banana position. none. zilch. to do so would be to sell out to the white man, old-style politics, the right, fox news, iserael and maybe even the pope.

even if he did, he'd lose his base. he'd be seen as exactly what he has campaigned against: just another politician making a deal. part of the "old" washington.

he can't and he won't.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 5:03pm

it would also seem that Clinton Richardson is out.

Clinton Edwards?

Clinton Webb?

Any other up and coming Southern Dems? Governors pref?

[tazber]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 5:08pm

Eswards said he wouldn't accept the VP position.

What about Warner?

[Auggie27]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 5:08pm

I don't know, Papa. Anythin can still happen.

But fellow Obama supporters: Rev. Wright is the albatross of all albatrosses. His narcissism the past 24 hours is toxic. He's destroying this man who has only announced his loyalty. He made a really frightening comment -- that he will plant himself at Obama's door the day after the election and at the White House door on Jan 20. This story has legs beyond anything we could imagine, and isn't going to disappear behind a lot of generic talk about overcoming racism. Wright is an egomaniac, and trouble, and he is about the bring Obama down, bigtime.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 5:09pm

It WILL be Clinton/Obama '08 and '12.

[tazber]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 5:10pm

Let the "Wright is a republican plant" conspiracy theories begin now.

[Auggie27]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 5:15pm

He's decided that his "voice" is more important than action which might enoble and enable the first African American presidency (or vice-presidency, should that remote possibility happen). Narcissism is ugly in any arena. When mixed with the volatile elements -- religion and politicsw -- you end up with a ball and chain on Obama, the likes of which he's never seen. I see no happy end to this, other than a public denunciation. But it may be too late for that.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 5:15pm

nope. no conspiracies. anyone who speaks ill of him is a racist and just doesn't and can't understand the black churches they are denigrating with their attacks on rev. kill whitey who is after all the black chuch.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 5:26pm

its sad that some of the same things that wright is saying that is going to hurt obama are actually legitimate discussions for this country.

Frankly, despite wanting Hillary to be the nominee, i don't like that this could be the main reason she gets it.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 5:40pm

Clinton Easley?

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 4/28/08 at 5:49pm

yeah, until the country has a dialogue on why whitey invented AIDS to kill minorities we're not much of a country. until the people of america can accept that whites were created by yakub 6,600 years ago on an island and that they are all - every single one of them - devils, we acan not move forward as a country. until this nation accepts that it deaerved 9/11 1,000 times over, we cannot move forward on race, in the racist states of america.