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#102

It's easy being for free speech -- today

We can't hate Islam because a few losers carry their stupidity to extremes. It seems like an economic problem in the world that's fueling this hate.

Stephanatic
#103

It's easy being for free speech -- today

"Gaveston, can't you find an encounter group to join or something? Did you miss that Rob's story was meant to be illustrative of the themes and ideas in this thread?"

Given the anger-management issues demonstrated by so many at this forum, I'd be way down the waiting list for that encounter group, Namo. Perhaps you could blog about it and I could read that.

As I already said, it never crossed my mind that Robbie was unkind to even his most obtuse friends; but I do think we are sometimes too quick to judge (if only in our minds) how helpless our friends and loved ones feel when we are dealing with tragedy.

If that doesn't fit your agenda for this thread, please scroll on by.
#104

It's easy being for free speech -- today

To me, this horrendous tragedy crystallizes the widely-held view in my inner circle that freedom is never really free. I grew up in the Old South around some rather plain-speaking, wholly irreverent, and misogynistic men-folk. But, a popular adage back then was that you don't poke fun at any man's God, woman, or children. You do so at your own peril. Whether or not that passes muster around these parts will no doubt be deliberated on ad nauseum. Please forgive me for pointing out the obvious, but we still live in a world in which neither words nor hash-tags stop bullets. There are the heartless among us who will just as soon kill and be killed if it advances their causes. I'm at a loss as to how to rationally deter them from that aim. I will share with you though my doubts that poverty or inequity is somehow the root cause of their angst.


#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.

Updated On: 1/9/15 at 07:16 PM

#105

It's easy being for free speech -- today

We should all ask ourselves the second time we find ourselves writing "as I said", "Do I need to say this again?"
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#106

It's easy being for free speech -- today

Namo, your snark toward some of us is so pointless and random that sometimes there's nothing one can do but repeat what you have misrepresented.



Updated On: 1/9/15 at 09:34 PM

#107

It's easy being for free speech -- today


Arab Cartoonists Respond
"Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.” ~ Muhammad Ali
#108

It's easy being for free speech -- today

Slate's piece: "The French satirical magazine is heroic. It is also racist."

Excerpt:

This, in a country where Muslims are a poor and harassed minority, maligned by a growing nationalist movement that has used liberal values like secularism and free speech to cloak garden-variety xenophobia. France is the place, remember, where the concept of free expression has failed to stop politicians from banning headscarves and burqas. Charlie Hebdo may claim to be a satirical, equal-opportunity offender. But there’s good reason critics have compared it to “a white power mag.” As Jacob Canfield wrote in an eloquent post at the Hooded Utilitarian, “White men punching down is not a recipe for good satire.”

Bold emphasis mine.


Heroic and racist?
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Updated On: 1/9/15 at 10:45 PM

#109

It's easy being for free speech -- today

Gosh, did The New Yorker's Teju Cole read this thread before filing this New Yorker article today? It's certainly better than the previous New Yorker exhortation that "we all must try to be Charlie Hebdo every day"!

And so intriguing to me to find Google and The Guardian giving Charlie Hebdo money to resume publication.

But it is possible to defend the right to obscene and racist speech without promoting or sponsoring the content of that speech. It is possible to approve of sacrilege without endorsing racism. And it is possible to consider Islamophobia immoral without wishing it illegal. Moments of grief neither rob us of our complexity nor absolve us of the responsibility of making distinctions. The A.C.L.U. got it right in defending a neo-Nazi group that, in 1978, sought to march through Skokie, Illinois. The extreme offensiveness of the marchers, absent a particular threat of violence, was not and should not be illegal. But no sensible person takes a defense of those First Amendment rights as a defense of Nazi beliefs. The Charlie Hebdo cartoonists were not mere gadflies, not simple martyrs to the right to offend: they were ideologues. Just because one condemns their brutal murders doesn’t mean one must condone their ideology.


The New Yorker: Unmournable Bodies
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#110

It's easy being for free speech -- today

If only we and our EU cousins in the Northern States could hit up our respective nation's founding fathers for some answers. I'm not being intentionally glib here either.

Throughout modern history there have been varying interpretations of the so-called social contract and attempts at implementation in the form of constitutional republics. As I understand it Sharia law with its ban on insulting the prophet Muhammad is directly in contravention of the United States Constitution. However, my sources indicate that speech in France is controlled by laws criminalizing speech that insults, defames or incites hatred, discrimination or violence on the basis of religion, race, ethnicity, nationality, disability, sex or sexual orientation. While being a lofty ideal, the restriction gives the French little wiggle room to counter Sharia adherents seeking the moral high ground in this matter. It also strengthens Namo's case, to me at least, that Charlie Hebdo should have long been denounced as a racist shaite-stirrer.

I'm also always fascinated by the way European nations have dealt with and continue to deal with any group considered an outsider for whatever reason. A few months ago I read a copy of the original 1492 Alhambra Decree which called for the expulsion of Jews from Spain and her territories at the time. An English translation is linked. It boggles the mind that the thing was not formally revoked until 1968 which wasn't that long ago for some of us.

Somewhat related, back in December the Economist reported that Dresden, Germany is grappling with a major wave of anti-Islamic public sentiment under the banner of PEGIDA an acronym typically rendered in English as Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamization of the West.

Hopefully brighter minds than mine will sort it all out.




Edict of the Expulsion of the Jews (1492)
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.

Updated On: 1/10/15 at 08:37 AM

#112

It's easy being for free speech -- today

Dislike the expression "what the founding fathers....". Who cares what they wanted or meant, they were wrong sometimes.
Stephanatic
#113

It's easy being for free speech -- today

No kidding. That's just a tributary flight of fancy, "let's dream up a dinner party with dead people" thought bubble.
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#114

It's easy being for free speech -- today

"Who cares what they [the founding fathers] wanted or meant, they were wrong sometimes."

Agreed, but at times their ideas and deliberations were prescient. It's a shame however that those same land-grabbing founders hatched a scheme to establish, preserve, and vindicate rights for themselves exclusively at the expense of several other classes of people. I'm just not comfortable believing that my contemporaries and I alone have answers for all that ails the West today. If only snark were the remedy.
#FactsMatter...your feelings not so much.
#115

It's easy being for free speech -- today

"I'm just not comfortable believing that my contemporaries and I alone have answers for all that ails the West today."

You're "not comfortable" with that? I'm COMPLETELY comfortable with the fact that my contemporaries and I alone have no answers for all that ails the West, or the world, today.

It's work.
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