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#1

Novels written in present tense

Do you guys find it odd to read a book in present tense? I shared a chapter of my book with GuyFromGermany, and he said that it was distracting.

I know most books aren't written like this, but I think it makes more sense.
#2

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I'm not sure why it is, but I find reading in present tense to be distracting as well. It's sort of like trying to keep up with something going on at the same time as you, but not really. THat doesn't make any sense. But I can't come up with any other way to describe it.
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#3

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No, not at all...

*digs nose in "Choose your own Adventure"*

Oh God...there's an enraged cyclops down the hall way...

Noooooooo....
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#4

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It's not distracting at all when it's done by a writer with exceptional skill.

It may be a bit much to try to write a "novel" like that your first time out of the gate. Are you taking classes? Part of a writing group that critiques your work?

That would be crucial.
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#5

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Figures, Namo, your first post today is about you criticizing me.

Why would I take classes? I know how to write.

Those books are great!

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"If you want to run, turn to have 4."
#6

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How is offering a word of advice criticism? Additionally, taking classes has very little to do with skill. There is always room for improvement, and peer advice is entirely necessary in the writing world. I also suffer from the "don't criticize my work!" syndrome... which is a main reason why I'm almost definitely not going into professional writing.
#7

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Namo never offers a word of advice.
I'm all up for criticism, but it has to come from people I trust. I can't just give it out to a group of strangers.
Ivan's read everything I've written, and he doesn't think it's distracting. I dont't think he's ever said anything, actually.

It just bugs me that books are written in past tense. Characters live in present tense. The only time I've used past tense is in dialogue.
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"How is offering a word of advice criticism?"

That was my thought too, SD. Any unpublished "writer," self-proclaimed or no, who ISN'T taking classes or part of a writers group that offers regular critique to works in progress is, in general, in for a rude awakening.

"Why would I take classes? I know how to write."

Then again, that says it all.
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#9

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Characters don't necessarily live in present tense; a third-person narrator can be relating events that have already happened. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer to the past or present tense question. It all comes down to personal style.
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"Why would I take classes? I know how to write."

"Then again, that says it all."

I have to agree. It is extraordinarily immature to think that one is so good at something that one needs no further instruction or guidance.

I am a graduate of The Juilliard School, yet I continue to take private lessons because I am fully aware that there is ALWAYS room for improvement and growth.

No artist, of ANY kind, will EVER succeed in their craft if they don't take that attitude. The second you think you're good enough, you're done for.
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#11

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Namo, you're not offering me a "word of advice".
Would you want to read something?
That might clear some things up.
#12

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I never said I didn't want someone to criticize. I'd rather have my criticism from a professional, and not a bunch of other beginning writers.

And I don't have a third person narrator.
#13

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"I never said I didn't want someone to criticize. I'd rather have my criticism from a professional ..."

That's called having an EDITOR. Which is what you get when somebody makes an offer to publish your novel. But it has to be written and rewritten and critiqued and rewritten some more before you'll find somebody who wants to market your book to publishers. That's called having an AGENT.

You've always had a fairly above-it-all attitude about your skills, let's not forget how you were going to go to culinary school and become a top chef, but the idea that you wouldn't take part in a group with a lowly bunch of beginning writers such as yourself speaks volumes (and in the present tense!).

Writers groups generally involve people at all levels of the publishing world. But then, why would you know that if you're not interested?

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Updated On: 8/8/06 at 01:44 PM

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I never predicted that I'd be a top chef. I just said I was going to culinary school (which I still could do).

I know the terms, thank you.

You keep on putting words in my mouth. When did I say I never researched writers groups? I have, just haven't found any that suited me.
#16

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I kind of liked the ones that I have read in the present tense. It was weird and took a little getting used to but I liked the change. I remember the first one that I read was the book that you read in fourth grade about the beagle dog called "Shiloh"
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#17

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The first one I read written in first person was DREAM BOY by Jim Grimsley. I recommend this book to everyone.
#18

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While we're on the subject...let me ask about your current screen name. How many short stories and/or novels or novellas have you published, or at any rate, completed?

Calling yourself "Fiction Writer" without having written any actual fiction would be highly hubristic. "Aspiring Fiction Writer," or something along that line, would be more to the point.

My opinion, take it or leave it, is that writing in the present tense--or the first person, or, even more so, the second person--increases your level of difficulty and reduces your chances for completion.

If this is your first attempt at fiction writing, Fiction Writer, I would suggest you master the basics before you experiment with form: a third-person omniscient narrator recounting a past-tense narration. It is the classic mode for storytelling, as in "Once upon a time there lived a boy, named without irony 'Captain Obvious'..."
#19

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That's the beginning of a limerick, isnt it?
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#20

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Whether or not I'm published, I'm still a writer.
I've finished ten or so short stories, but no novels.
And the more challenging it is, the more I want to do it.
I'm not one to do something the conventional way. If I'm going to do anything, it'll be done in a way that's different.

Why would I want to do something that everyone else has done? My characters aren't third person omniscient. Those people don't exist.

First person doesn't make much sense. "I'm typing this message right now as I run through all these hoops to get away from the bad guy." Nah.

Neither does second person, although it makes more sense than the first. I think of 2nd person more of a role playing type situation.

While I appreciate classic, I think it's boring.

Namo, you never answered my question: Would you want to read a snippet?

BlueMoon, I'm Captain_Obvious. Didn't you know that?
#21

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I have to agree with PalJoey. I tell my students all the time to stick with the past tense when writing mostly because it's extremely difficult to do well, and frankly, it's kind of pretentious. The past tense is the accepted form of writing for most English novels (I don't know about other languages) and more often than not writing in present tense comes off as gimmicky, just like using second person. I really don't have a problem with my kids writing in first or third person -- I leave that up to them (and I've found that what works best varies from kid to kid). I've had students try doing present tense writing and it ALWAYS ended with them giving up and switching to past tense.
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#22

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Okay. How do you read a book? I've always thought that since I'm reading it NOW, the characters should do things NOW.

And most of the time, when a book is written in past tense, I read it in present tense anyway.

I'm hungry.
#23

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The novel I'm working on right now is written in present tense, but I'm aware of how distracting a method it is. As I'm going for a somewhat distracting, conversational sort of narrative, I find it ideal. Since present tense narration deviates from the norm, it's my personal opinion that you should have a good reason for doing it, other than the fact that you like doing different things, or you just prefer it that way. Is there something in the story that requires that sort of narration?

Unless you're incredibly skillfull, it WILL be a distraction and the people on this board who you think are giving you "criticism" are actually your target audience. If they say they find the device distracting, they're certainly not the only ones. You would like people to actually finish reading your book, wouldn't you? Like Namo pointed out, writing groups usually contain people who are at different levels -- those who've never written before, those who have several things published, those that are in between. You don't think the opinions of such a wide variety of people would be important?
#24

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"I hate this browser.You don't think the opinions of such a wide variety of people would be important?"

I never said that.

When I write, it comes out in present tense. It always has. I'm not going to change because I "deviate from the norm".
#25

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Really excellent points, PalJoey and KeatonByNumbers.

Especially the part about being pretentious. Most writers roll their eyes when some newbie talks about working on "my novel," because it doesn't exist yet, it's not out in the world, how do you even know what it's going to be, let alone a novel?

Sounds impressive when dropped into casual conversation with people who don't know what writing a novel takes. But then reality creeps in: "I've finished ten or so short stories, but no novels."

"Namo, you never answered my question: Would you want to read a snippet?"

See? I get paid to do that. That's what happens in the professional world.




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