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#1

Obama signs NDAA. Welcome to Martial Law in the United States of America.

President Obama has officially abandoned his threat to veto the National Defense Authorization Act that includes a provision that allows the military to indefinitely detain US Citizens. I guess that will be a pretty convenient way to deal with the Occupy movement.
If you've never called your Senator or the White House before, I think now is the time to do it.
There's no way in hell I can vote for Obama in 2012 now.


US Martial Law Codified

Updated On: 1/1/12 at 11:56 AM

#2

Obama abandons NDAA veto threat. Welcome to Martial Law in the United States of America.

I am upset at him right now. But really, Congress is going to push this as hard as they possible can so even if he did veto it, it would still eventually pass...just delayed a bit.
If this does pass, I have no doubt there will be an uprising. This is insane.

Btw, why hasn't the Tea Party attacked this? Talk about "Government Interference."
"Life in theater is give and take...but you need to be ready to give more then you take..."
#3

Obama abandons NDAA veto threat. Welcome to Martial Law in the United States of America.

My understanding is Obama was NEVER going to veto it because of the indefinite detention clause. The bill originally placed restrictions on who the President could declare a high risk terrorist detainee. Obama felt that limited his power and that is why he issued the veto threat. This bill takes those limits out and that he is why he backed off his veto threat.
This is way more extreme than anything Bush even tried to pass. It's inexcusable and makes it impossible for me to support him for reelection. I'm either going to have to write in Bernie Sanders or be forced to vote for Ron Paul.
And there are members of the Tea Party opposed to this bill. It's the establishment ramming this through with the President's blessing. Not the Tea Party.

Updated On: 12/15/11 at 02:47 PM

#6

Obama abandons NDAA veto threat. Welcome to Martial Law in the United States of America.

Problem with this interpretation: the newly negotiated text of the bill does not allow for US citizens or resident aliens to be indefinitely detained. Direct quote from the bill:

"Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States."

That's the newly amended section 1021. It's nowhere near perfect, but it is by no means a way to indefinitely detail US citizens or resident aliens. Because of the veto threat, the bill was renegotiated to address the principle concerns that would lead to a veto.
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Obama abandons NDAA veto threat. Welcome to Martial Law in the United States of America.

Unfortunately, Trentsketch, the clause Erik cites will trump the clause you cite, and the law will allow for the Executive Branch to decide which American citizens are and are not "enemy combatants."

And fingerlakes--opposition to this law can be found among the human-rights oriented wing of the left and the Ron Paul wing of the Tea Party. Both sides are angry about this law. The only conservatives who want this law are the neocons, who are a small minority.

All Americans should be upset about this, but the mainstream media, the liberal blogs and the vast majority of Americans are ignoring it.

Updated On: 12/16/11 at 10:52 PM

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Obama abandons NDAA veto threat. Welcome to Martial Law in the United States of America.

I am having a Howard Beale moment.

I have always favored a measured criticism of the Obama administration, never having viewed him as other than merely an (at best) gifted and pragmatic politician whom I never expected to be an instrument of fundamental change, at least when comparing him to any other electable candidate.

Still, I've continued to regard him as a fairly good president.

This morning I am sick to my stomach.
#17

Obama abandons NDAA veto threat. Welcome to Martial Law in the United States of America.

We should all be having a Howard Beale moment.
"A defense spending bill that passed both houses of Congress overwhelmingly and is set to be signed by President Barack Obama as early as this week could make it easier for the government to transfer American terrorist suspects to foreign regimes and security forces."
Congress, along with Obama, is set to destroy the Bill of Rights and the mainstream media is saying nothing about it.
Did Congress Just Endorse Rendition for Americans?
#19

Obama abandons NDAA veto threat. Welcome to Martial Law in the United States of America.

Obama threw gay marriage rights under the bus, why wouldn't he also toss the Constitution down there too?

And here is an interesting article about what that bill really says:


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Updated On: 12/21/11 at 02:58 PM

#20

Obama abandons NDAA veto threat. Welcome to Martial Law in the United States of America.

On New Year's Eve 2011 President Obama codified martial law in the United States. No surprise he did it on New Year's Eve when it wouldn't make the news cycle. I like how he issued a signing statement saying he doesn't agree with military detention of American citizens and vows to never use it...but signed the bill anyway.

Obama signs the NDAA
#21

Obama abandons NDAA veto threat. Welcome to Martial Law in the United States of America.

who are you planning to vote for in 2012? and do you think that person has a realistic chance of winning? or are you just gonna vote your conscience no matter who the nominees are? and would it matter if it is predicted to be a close race and you were choosing the lesser of two evils?

Updated On: 1/1/12 at 11:05 AM

#22

Obama abandons NDAA veto threat. Welcome to Martial Law in the United States of America.

Honestly I don't know. It's starting to feel like it doesn't matter. Obama, who as candidate pledged to close Guantanamo, just did something more fascist and right wing than anything the Bush administration tried.
I guess I'm holding out hope for a viable 3rd party candidate that's not Ron Paul. If there is any year a 3rd party candidate could win I think this is it.
#25

Obama abandons NDAA veto threat. Welcome to Martial Law in the United States of America.

We just need to be patient! Don't get all hating on Obama just because he doesn't do what you want when you want! He's got an awful lot on his plate! Would you rather have John McCain as President?


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." Thomas Pynchon, GRAVITY'S RAINBOW "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick My blog: http://www.roscoewrites.blogspot.com/

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