Oslo Bomb Blast- Page 2

[Q]

Posted: 7/22/11 at 8:27pm

Am I understanding correctly that the ruling party is Labour (sp?) and that's what the camp was about, as well? And that it essentially would equate to the 'liberal' branch of thinking?

[Eris0303]

Posted: 7/22/11 at 8:30pm

I was going so quickly I didn't even notice the typo. But it still works.

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 7/22/11 at 8:47pm

Yes, the Labour party represents the idea of "work for everyone.". They support high taxes and a Socialist model. They strongly support lgbt issues and gender equality. Christian and rightwing parties (not necessarily the same) tend to support less immigration and fewer public programs. The parties on the right in Sweden, and I can assume it's similar in Norway, seem to want to follow a more
American, capitalistic ideal. The right side is in power here. The left rules parliament in Norway.

Many political parties have youth camps in the summer. In the South of Sweden the SverigeDemokraterna have a youth camp. They are the new party in Parliament that have strong Nazi and Aryan ties. They are only for immigration if the immigrants will integrate into society in every way possible and very rarely even then. They don't believe a Muslim female immigrant should have the right to request a female doctor and similar silliness. These groups are gaining more and more power.

Updated On: 7/22/11 at 08:47 PM

[Q]

Posted: 7/22/11 at 8:50pm

That's a little chilling, considering the entrenched thinking becoming . . . well, entrenched here.

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 7/22/11 at 9:19pm

I am beyond blessed to have been born in the US and had a pretty good life there. I was never without health insurance very long. I always had a car and money in the bank. That said, I don't understand the attitude that the US is the answer to everything. I keep meeting these young students who are in the international program and about 90% of them have the ultimate goal of moving to America. I ask them why and they usually look at me like I'm mad. It's America! I don't think they really understand the difference of being raised without thinking about healthcare, prescriptions, education costs, etc. They've never had to think about it. There's no system in place to help you out with those things, especially if you aren't a citizen.

My brother-in-law, with his 3 little boys ultimately wants to move to the US. They are in Florida for two months right now. (The boys said NO to the idea of moving.) I told him to enjoy himself while on his 5 weeks of paid Swedish vacation and 3 weeks of paid parental leave that he saved from the 16 months he got with his youngest son's birth. I told him to enjoy the knowledge that his socialized healthcare followed him. I told him to make sure he knew that within a 5 year period, he would be sending three boys to college, which will be free if they stay here.

For some reason, politicians seem to buy into the same mentality. America looks really cool in the movies, so we want to be like them. They have DisneyWorld!

Socialism is not a bad thing. It's not for everyone, but it sure beats being uninsured.

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 7/22/11 at 10:07pm

I am reading now the number of killed at the camp could be 80.

I just can't. My soul hurts thinking about this.

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 7/22/11 at 10:21pm

I promised the wife I would stop reading for the night. I guess I should try to sleep.

Peace and comfort to my friends. :)

[Q]

Posted: 7/22/11 at 10:53pm

"The suspect arrested for twin terror attacks in Norway Friday has been identified as Anders Behring Breivik, according to media reports in the U.K. and Norway.

Police believe the 32-year-old, six-foot-plus Norwegian acted alone in the bombing of government offices in Oslo and an assault with firearms on a island youth camp less than a hour from the capital.

Norwegian television said that Breivik belongs to right-wing circles in Oslo, and a Swedish newspaper has reported the Breivik has posted on right-wing forums in Norway.

Norwegian media has linked Breivik to a Facebook account in which the poster described himself as a Christian conservative."

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 7/22/11 at 10:59pm

I have read that the number is "at least 80" now. He kept pulling guns out of a bag. Some pretended to bed dead, laying on the ground, but then he shot them in the head with a shotgun.

I am just sick.

[Q]

Posted: 7/22/11 at 11:38pm

I'm hoping since they have him in custody, they can find out who, if anyone, he might be connected to. The country could use that kind of knowledge to be able to move forward.

Even with some past incidents in northern Europe, I have still held onto a rather naive belief that it was outside of this kind of nonsensical insanity. And attacking the kids, in an apparent attempt to either remove their potential influence or scare them away from involvement, is more than I can wrap my head around. Have we really not moved beyond this? Obviously not - and it's debilitating.

[Salene]

Posted: 7/23/11 at 3:30am

I have read that the number is "at least 80" now.

84 - just confirmed at a police press conference.

Unfreakingbelievable!

Even with some past incidents in northern Europe, I have still held onto a rather naive belief that it was outside of this kind of nonsensical insanity.

So did I - and probably most other Norwegians.

[singtopher]

Posted: 7/23/11 at 9:20am

91 being confirmed by CNN.

He followed them into the water as they tried to swim away. He chased them through the woods. Some tried to pretend to be dead and were shot anyway. I heard an interview with a man who did that very thing and was (can I say luckily?) shot in the shoulder. This is the very definition of massacre. Not just trying to make a statement. He wanted any many people dead as possible.

[wexy]

Posted: 7/23/11 at 9:32am

And he can get 21 yrs in prison under Norwegian law.
Just horrible.

[mominator]

Posted: 7/23/11 at 10:34am

For mass murder? Lord I hope that is per count and that he (if found guilty) will have to them consecutively.

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 7/23/11 at 12:07pm

I think the 91 being reported is the 84 on the island plus the 7 killed in the explosion in Oslo.

Yes, "life in prison" in Norway is 21 years. There's no death penalty. They won't give him additional sentences for each count. There is a supervised conviction where he will be up for review every five years and technically, he could remain in prison forever.

Another body has been found. It's 92 now.

[Salene]

Posted: 7/23/11 at 4:16pm

I think the 91 being reported is the 84 on the island plus the 7 killed in the explosion in Oslo.

Correct.

One person from my hometown is missing.

[Salene]

Posted: 7/23/11 at 4:34pm

Yes, "life in prison" in Norway is 21 years. There's no death penalty.

There's a Facebook poll on whether that should be changed. Results so far:

Yes: 8,739
No: 26,394
Not sure: 925

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 7/23/11 at 5:29pm

It's 18 years in Sweden.

[Salene]

Posted: 7/23/11 at 5:57pm

Nice avatar, JG.


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[Salene]

Posted: 7/23/11 at 7:24pm

Eyewitness account - scroll down the page for English translation:

http://prableen.origo.no/-/bulletin/show/672218_helvete-paa-utoeya

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 7/23/11 at 8:14pm

You may have noticed that now that ties to "Muslim Extremist Terrorism" has been discounted, the guy is being referred to as a "mad man." Not as a terrorist. And certainly not as a Radical Fundamentalist Christian Terrorist. At least not in US news sources.

[papalovesmambo]

Posted: 7/23/11 at 9:01pm

gee, namo, i seem to recall the last time a lefty nutbag went off and killed a buncha folks that everyone 'round here went all touchy feely saying, "oh we shouldn't ascribe his actions to anything other than him being a nutcase." yet now, when it looks as if a batsh*t crazy killa might lean right, you seem quite miffed that the same standard is being seems to be being applied (which i doubt highly will be the case in 24-48 hours when he is being portrayed on every show on msbnc as being actually michele bachmann in a blonde wig).

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 7/23/11 at 10:03pm

He's being referred to as a right wing neo-nazi here. Christians are not the norm here and simply identifying as a Christian will get you looked at a little odd.

[Q]

Posted: 7/23/11 at 10:18pm

The NY Times is calling him a "Christian extremist".

I think it's too easy to write him off as a lunatic. I've read through quite a bit of his 'manifesto' today, and it left me feeling that he did what he did because he truly believes his life's liberty is at stake.

It's not much different from the polarization I see taking place here, with people saying more and more that 'the time for talking is over'. Well, what comes next? Were some people being serious when they said 'we came unarmed - this time'?

I, personally, can't imagine taking his action - but that doesn't mean that his choice is one born of craziness (which I interpret to mean a complete inability to form cohesive thought.) There are more than enough influences at play in the world right now to lead him - or many others - down a path toward agression. Hell, here we keep insisting on couching everything in terms of combat (the culture WAR, the drug WAR.)

Eventually, if someone feels that it is that important, they're going to take the steps they feel necessary to fight back - and that might very well be what we just saw. IF that's the case, it could potentially be a chance for us to look at what is happening, and try to counteract it beofre these occurrences become the norm, rather than the exception.

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 7/23/11 at 10:32pm

I am curious to what "lefty nutbag" papa is referring to.

Jared Loughner was neither (or both) left and right. Assumptions were made (that were wrong) about his motivations. He acted alone.

I am not sure what will be found when more investigation is done in Norway. It is not clear this monster acted alone. And, a least one Dutch extremist group has applauded his actions.

What is clear that he is NOT a radical Muslim, which was wrongly assumed by many commentators (as late as last night on Fox, with Laura Ingram linking the events in Norway to the NY Mosque when subbing for O'Reilly). Jennifer Rubin to my knowledge has not updated or retracted her assumptions.

I have no problem with assuming he acted alone unless the evidence shows otherwise. But, I also think that those who assumed and stated that this was the work of radical Muslims need to correct the record.

And, for the record, I don't consider the monster in Norway, or McVeigh, or the monster that killed Dr. Tiller "Christians". They are anything but.
Updated On: 7/23/11 at 10:32 PM